Muaythaiboxer

yes it does in eight step they do alot of traping to move into range to throw and joint lock. there i a guy i spared with who knew eight step mantis and he had great throws very simaler to judo but not as friendly to your oponent. the guy i spared never kicked though so im guessing this is not stressed in there system.

actually oyama and three of his best students went to thailand and fought four thaiboxers (no champs) and they one three of the four fights. when the got back from thailand they started useing lowkicks to the thigh more because they where impressed by there power. i cant give you and concrete proof but see kicks simaler to MT in the art makes me think its true.

yes i agree im not a huge fan of BB magazine but they are a fun read once a mounth

yea your a martial artist and i like your view on training i too would like some info on your style. and what exactly does the name mean?

there are more that two kinds of punching like boxing the rotation of gung-fu the snap of karate. or the tai-chi style strike very little arm movement and more pushing with the body.

well another reson that street thugs seem to win alot is because the tough thugs never seem to fight other tough thugs they always seem to pick on the guy who has had one to many and is small, or with a pretty lady. they then beat the guy up and get some braging rights. in an article i once read in an MA related magazine (i cant remember which one) it stated that there where only three kinds of people who get in street fights regularly. #1- the brawler, a guy who is usually very strong and very tough (think linebacker) who fights over ego and go's looking for fights when under the influence of alcohol (may also fight to keep friends out of trouble) #2- the fighter, a guy who usually has some MA related experience and who likes to fight. he usually doesnt go looking for a fight but doesnt try to avoide them either. if he feels like a guy is giveing him a hard time he will ask to step outside and adminester a brutal beating. #3 - the target, a guy who is usually small and is a target for the brawlers because he looks like and easey win, but this guy is actually the most scary because although he cant fight he may use a weapon to leval the playing feild. i dont really dont agree with this 100% but i thought is was interesting.

well to most people winning comes first and to some degree it does for me to but considering im not in ranked fights yer i would rather have a hard fight and lose and learn something than have an easey fight and not get any thing out of it. sry if i dident clairify better in my post i consider any style that does full contact to have a better chance of success than any style that does light contact.

personally i get a little ticked off if someone takes it easey on me (even though they do it alot) because im younger but still i would be rather have the stuffing beat out of me than have someone toy with me but hey i guess im just weird like that if the same situation had happened to me i would have clocked him HARD but not hard enough to KO him just hard enough so that he got the message.

well the founder of kyokushinkai was a korean and he practiced a few kung-fu like systems in korea before moveing to japan and training in karate. whail i agree that there are poor quality fighters in every art the percent of good fighters is higher in full contact MA than in light contact TMA. i do agree that there is less focus on techniques ment to be deadly but the point of sport compitition is personal growth not to kill or maim your opponent.

if that were so then tai chi chuan fighters would be winning MMA and K-1 style fights. with literally millions of dollers to be made why havent tai chi guys been in on it? dont get me wrong i really like tai chi and because of the disscusion about it in this forum i have taken a few lessens in wu style but dang i need to see proof of its effectiveness before i am going to agree that it is good for fighting.

well the founder of eight step made the foot work more efficient by getting rid of the monkey foot work and adding what he thought where the eight best short steps from diffrent styles and the eight best long steps from diffrent styles he also added more throws from chinese wrestling and more chin-na.

yes it is but the reson for that is because certain styles usually train harder than others. just look at boxers/muay thai/MMA they do hours of techniques and working the bags and doing full contact then they go run and lift weights. mean wile the majority of schools do there kata and basics then do a little light contact sparing for an hour or to then go home and come back a couple days later to do it again. im shure that if a TMA guy trained as hard as a boxer of a MMA fighter then he would be able to use his art to fight but lets face it the average TMA guy does not train as hard as the average boxer or kickboxer.

that is why you do more plyametrics when it is no longer a challenge.

the shirt thing is really smart and really effective from what ive seen its a good way to get in some killer knees and kicks.

it looks good and the small class usually means tough which is always good + you may get more time with the master.

look i have nothing but respect for tai chi as an art but the thing is i have never seen any one who does tai chi as there primary art who could actually fight, im shure there are tai chi guys out there who are good fighters but i have never had the pleasure to spar one of them if any one knows a tai chi teacher who is any good at fighting in the mid west i will try to seek him out and take a few lessens and do a little sparing because i would love to see how an internal art could be used to fight. AMITABHA

great... that needs to be done alot more i wonder what would happen if you added grapling to the mix.

more success? if there was more success then you would think that the TMA guys in MMA would win against guys like David Abbott who have no training and just swing. the point is that fighting is 90% how you train and 10% what you train in. if all MA schools did full contact and regularly ran and hit the weight room then i bet you would rarely hear about MA guys getting torn up in bar fights.

the reason that you see alot of BB get beat up is cause the majority of BB are either from no contact TMA or mcdojos and neither of which are any good for real situations in fact they are worse than no training because at lest with no training you will flail and mabe get in some lucky hits but with mcdojo/no contact the people try stuff like high kicks and spins and get layed out by guys who just swing. and contrary to what most people believe those swings have pretty good power. the thing is you never see full contact fighters get chewed up in street fights.

well if you had to chose between your kung fu and your TKD i would pick the one that does more contact and has better sparing.

man people here think im tough for a teen and are suprised when i beat older fighters but dang in thailand i would get chewed up... i cant waight till i have enough money (and time) to go train there. yea MT is known for brutal training but back in the day the kyokushin guys trained just as hard if not harder and when they went to thailand they usually won just gos to prove that its mostly training methods i wonder if the kyokushin guys still train that hard.

i may be mistaken but every time i have seen krabbi krabong on TV is is being done with weapons and if im not mistaken then dont they spar with sharp weapons... sounds cool if thats what it is.

ohhhh we just call that front kick... but we usually use the back leg thrust kick to get someone off balence then clinch and go for knees and throws (yes you can throw in MT)

well i wouldent go that far there still way more hard core than most styles but they do look a little bit soft compaired to good boxers/MT guys

i like to alternate heavy weights-low reps, with light weights high reps i find that this is what works for me the best for strenth, and i have found plyametrics better than weights for speed and strenth.