jeffrogers

Good thread!

I started with Shaolin Kempo. First class I learned how to get out of a double hand wrist lock by pulling aginst the thumbs. I liked the few concepts in it. Since then I moved on to Hakutsuru. I liked the way the instructor taught later on it became one on one training with him. We ended up just trianing in his garage in regular clothes no * just trianing then afterwards chill and have a few beers. I enjoyed that type of relationship, became my friend and the concepts he he showed were amazing little details of applying my weight, diffrent torques and turns in the hands and body movement that make the techniques work so well. How to use the body more efficently. Even though its frusterating as heck. How to hit harder and more deeper into the muscle, how to hit more inside then instead of a surface hit. I enjoyed the physics and science behind the training and how the concepts carryed on to other styles so that got me hooked was the concept training. Never met another person who really taught like that or had as much indepth knowlege least conepts and how to make the human body work. I do bjj because I enjoy the competion and comadrie between other Jiu-Jitsu practioners. I enjoy the thinking side. I enjoy the sports competion its a fun game and sport. I enjoy it because its a chess match. I enjoy the counters and the counter to the counters, the resistanting oppenent trying to beat you and you come out on top. Its a great art and has good concepts of leverage, angles, and keeping your balance and base. Although I may not agree with every one's oppinoin on the forum or how certain styles do things or instructors present material or teach. All in all weather be, TKD, Jiu-Jitsu, BJJ, silat, Wing Chun/Wing Tsun, boxing, wrestling, Mauy thai, Karate Okinawan or Japense, or some Kung fu art or any art in general. People do the arts for some personal reason, not every ones reasons are the same. But if it is contrstive and effects your life positvely and which I do believe MA does. Then I think its good. Its good to have brother/sisterhood in the martial arts good way to bring people to gether, to learn and to have a good time. -jeff

I started with Shaolin Kempo. First class I learned how to get out of a double hand wrist lock by pulling aginst the thumbs. I liked the few concepts in it. Since then I moved on to Hakutsuru. I liked the way the instructor taught later on it became one on one training with him. We ended up just trianing in his garage in regular clothes no * just trianing then afterwards chill and have a few beers. I enjoyed that type of relationship, became my friend and the concepts he he showed were amazing little details of applying my weight, diffrent torques and turns in the hands and body movement that make the techniques work so well. How to use the body more efficently. Even though its frusterating as heck. How to hit harder and more deeper into the muscle, how to hit more inside then instead of a surface hit. I enjoyed the physics and science behind the training and how the concepts carryed on to other styles so that got me hooked was the concept training. Never met another person who really taught like that or had as much indepth knowlege least conepts and how to make the human body work. I do bjj because I enjoy the competion and comadrie between other Jiu-Jitsu practioners. I enjoy the thinking side. I enjoy the sports competion its a fun game and sport. I enjoy it because its a chess match. I enjoy the counters and the counter to the counters, the resistanting oppenent trying to beat you and you come out on top. Its a great art and has good concepts of leverage, angles, and keeping your balance and base. Although I may not agree with every one's oppinoin on the forum or how certain styles do things or instructors present material or teach. All in all weather be, TKD, Jiu-Jitsu, BJJ, silat, Wing Chun/Wing Tsun, boxing, wrestling, Mauy thai, Karate Okinawan or Japense, or some Kung fu art or any art in general. People do the arts for some personal reason, not every ones reasons are the same. But if it is contrstive and effects your life positvely and which I do believe MA does. Then I think its good. Its good to have brother/sisterhood in the martial arts good way to bring people to gether, to learn and to have a good time. -jeff

I know of a very good white Crane teacher in Georgia but I guess that wouldn't help. lol! When I was in VA for 12 weeks I wish I found out about some grappling schools. Darn it! -Jeff

A big rubber ball works too. Helps during grappling when you are showing some one to roll have them lay on the ball helps keep ther body rounded them push the ball and they just roll off of it. Also helps on the sit ups really works stabllizer muscles, ab wheels are nice too. I like the sugestion about the resistance cords I would highly suggest that. It can work great for kicks punches, even throwing techniques. So your school already found instructors. Is this program part of the Physical Education program at your school. I know in Arizona they have a lot of charter schools and they bring in some marital arts program. i went to one for my Junior and Senior year of high school. I did in my last semester of school. Ed Parker Kenpo Karate. That was fun even though it only lasted me 4 or 5 months. -Jeff

I don't say it would be easy depends some times it can others maybe not. Depends on the situatioin. Actually fights I seen the guy takes a few good punches nad then goes in to tackle you. Like I said can't say you don't need it because your still weak in that area. All you can say is I hope you never fight another martial artist or experienced wrestler. Really all you can say is I am happy with what I do and I don't care to learn another art. Great! Keep doing what you do. I am glad you feel it works for you! Also most of the time if y ou stay away from trouble you can keep out of a lot of fights. I keep to my self most of the time now. I don't frequent bad neighboor hoods. Or hang around when there is obnxious people I see at the bars. So you can actually avoid alot. So probalby you wouldn't have to deal with that situation. -Jeff

Treebranch what was that post about? -Jeff

Your wrong on those aspects fighting ability has alot to do with speed and acuarcy and punching power not to mention assertivness or bit of agression. I understand what air drills are for. Like I said in my postt you just quoted from me. But I see martial artist do them more often then not then bag drills. Yeah so they person is fast but if he has no power or weight to back it up. Big freakin deal. This is why I also emphasized bag drills. maybe you learn to tkae a hit or avoid it. Mainly you get beaten down if its by an experienced fighter. learning to avoid hit doesn't mean you know how to hit. What good is avoidence if you can't do much back. Eventually your going to get beat down. This is why I stressed, both a balance of air drills and bag drills. I find MA practioners of alot of styles and instructors don't emphasize that enoguh so there students don't have that much power in there strikes. Learning to hit is just as important as not getting hit. Again going in and fighting don't teach you any thing you need some sort of training. Boxing is a good example because they are only limited to punches so they learned to bob, weave and get out of the way of a punch or exorb it pretty decently. You can argue all you want but reality is TMA training is good for knowlege and eventualy with right training and work you can get it to work. But to get to learn fighting quickly to were you can dominate most of your fights least as far as hand to hand no, muliple attackers join in. But then again there are many factors to fighting. -Jeff

You can mental take a kick to the groin. But depends on how you punch and or strike in general. My friends dad took it from Rod sakronski (sp?) Saw pictures of him and rod in his house and getting his 3rd dan. He hasn't really trained in over 15 to 20 years though. But says back then it was easy to take a punch to the throat. Of course I never saw him demonstrate it. I highly doubt it will work in a quick situation. Seems like every thing is based on set up or in other words got to Ki up for it. -Jeff

Shorinryu Sensei Both Larry Mason and Ricky Rose now train under Nishihira nephew of Hohan Soken. Tony Sandoval trained under alot of diffrent instrucors he's been in the Marine Corp for 30 years and during that time spent 19 or 20 years collectively in the Orient. Through China, Japan, Korea, Tai won and Okinawa, mong and other places. Most of his time was around Okinawa though. This is a little bit about him. Master Anthony (Tony) Sandoval, Sensei has been our instructor since November 1995. Master Sandoval is a very profiecient instructor in the Matsumura family system. He is President and founder of the Matsusokan and Ken Kyu Associations currently operating in the United States and Canada. The following is a partial list of his instructors and the degree Black Belt he holds in their respective systems: Hohan Soken 6th dan Katsuya Miyahira 7th dan Fusei Kise 4th dan Ken Irimina 6th dan Seiki Arakaki 6th dan Seiki Itokazu 8th dan Yuichi Kuda 7th dan Chosin Chibana 3rd dan Takaya Yabiku 8th dan Shuguro Miyahara 1st dan Seiyei Akamine 6th dan Kafu Kojo 3rd dan Hiroshi Kikimura 8th dan Seiko Itokazu 3rd dan Hesuke Oshiro 8th dan Seitoku Higa 3rd dan Nishihara 7th dan Monimasa 6th dan Koie Teruya 6th dan Takashi Kinjo 3rd dan Nakazato 7th dan Shigeru Nakamura 3rd dan Isao Oshiro 3rd dan Sejuro Miyahara 1st dan Chozo Nakaima 7th dan Takahashi 7th dan Shoshin Nagamine 4th dan As well as many other instructors that don't wish to be known so he doesn't mention them to respect there privacy. Since you mentioned to be around Shorin Ryu Circles so long I thought you might have heard of him. Any way, Larry Mason is a good guy I have had a few chats with him on e-mail a couple years back. -Jeff

There is several White Crane (Hakutsuru) Kata that make up the Hakutsuru system. Which is based after alot of concepts. Some say one Hohan Soken only taught one crane Kata. Probably why people say it was a Kata. It is a sytem though. -Jeff

lol, thats kind of like me with some sun glasses on top of my head and I am looking around asking about "have you seen my sun glasses?" lol! -Jeff

Oh okay thanks. -Jeff

Every thing was set up. Same as George Dillman setting up knock outs buy having y ou grab him. Instead of going full force trying to knock his head off. Once you grab the guy he knows were your hat knows your not going to move or do any thing so he can do the hit squence to set up the knock outs. Same with Rod Sakronoski (sp?) guys every thing was set up. My friends dad trained with him back in the early 80's. Look at the discovery. Be nice if they did that in straight out fight wiht out "ki'ing" or DBZ term "powering up" lol! besides there isn't much tourque or any thing on there puch or kicks its all out side pain not inside. -Jeff

forget top 15 there is only one true effective style and that is Joe Son Do that is all. -Jeff

thats good. I don't know to much about tai chi. Done a few excercises and breathing drills. Good after a work out, helps rejuvinate the body. after a good work out doing tai chi moves and breathing definelty got my body colled down and rejuvinated. Instead of feeling a bit tired after wards. So that is good. -Jeff

If you have some sort of base in both striking and grappling and have a partner to work with. I believe you can use books and video tape to learn new material on both subjects. by using your previous knowlege as a base and the feed back between you are your partner. People aren't stupid they can think through moves and find out what works for them. Just my opinion -Jeff

tournements.

what orginzation you with. I mean who is your teacher, you no Ricky Rose, Gary Legacy, Mike Hanckock.

No he is out of Columbus, Georgia right now. He teaches Hakutsuru

Nawwww. Your wrong Kotegashineo. Joe son is the best fighter ever. You seen his match against Kieth Hackney right? -Jeff

Joe Son Do most effective fighting style there is. That is all . -Jeff

Many good aspects to bjj. I enjoy after learning the art and then going to the sport side it is fun game. LIke a game of chess. You move opponent counters, and vice versa until check mate= tap out, black out, or snap! You know if the moves work or not. Because if they don't they don't work. Because you got a resisting oppenent trying to tap you out also. Not many people know the ground game so its also gives a bit of an edge for one on one unarmed fighting. I think this is sort of the reason I backed away from TMA. I was tired of point fighting tourments, techniques that are difficult near impossible to do with a resisting oppenent. Every one has there cup of tea. This is mine. That is all. -Jeff

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Delta1 good post. I absolutely agree with you at the end of your post if your getting want then go for it. Shorinryu Sensei I respect your post. Thats fine for you. I prefer to cross train. If some one is into a style and thats all they ever want to learn great. Me I prefer to cross train I can careless about styles If I see some one who can throw good I am going to study with them. If I see some one who has good striking I am going to study with them. If some one has a lot of knowledge for concepts that help me cordinate and use my body better in application great I will study with them. On that note. Since you do Matsumura Shorin-Ryu. You heard of Anthony Sandoval. -Jeff