Treebranch

What? Hello.... Is anybody out there.

You can never have too much ammo.

A complete art is one that covers all areas of physical combat. Boxing is boxing, Kickboxing is kickboxing, wrestling is wrestling. This are effective but are not complete realistic fighting systems. The whole what's complete for me may not be complete for you thing is just existential bull. If an art teaches weapons, tactics, ukemi, grappling, striking, groundfighting, etc... I would say most people would consider that a complete MA. So if an MA only teaches one or two aspects of this than it's not complete. Is it still effective? Sure it is. But effective and complete are different. Complete like how many pieces in a chess set, or a dozen is 12 not 10. Effective is subjective and depends on the individual. There are MA's that are more complete than others, it doesn't make them better. Better is subjective as well, complete is objective. I hope this clears things up a bit. If not, time is the best teacher.

Jabs can be jammed as well.

Follow the punch back jamming it and take him down by the head. Follow the punch back into his body, stomp kick his hips, grab the arm and drop your weight on it. It's not that hard when you know how. Fight the person not the weapon.

Your profile, the styles you study. Kung Fu, Muay Thai, Wrestling. You have stand up and grappling skills?

Fight the person, not the weapon.

It's one of the best groundfighting systems in existence

Ill.

Well if you're too scared to fight run. My heart rate never goes that high. I keep pretty calm in hairy situations. I'm the product of being the youngest of 3 boys that would beat my rear everyday until I was big enough to do them damage. Fansy kicks are harder to pull off when you have adrenaline pumping through your body. A low kick is much easier to make work in a hairy situation. Stomp kicks are easy and really brutal.

Well I studied San Soo under Master Dave Carter and it wasn't super slow, it was half speed training during techniques. The idea was to flow from movement to movement and slowing increase the speed. The BB's would go pretty fast and sometimes get carried away. Two of the BB's were sparring and tried some kind of throw on his partner and broke his leg. Another time someone dislocated their shoulder. Basically at the beginning levels the techniques are done slow so that you learn how to move correctly. Just like walking to running. The thing many people don't understand is that the true training should come from you the individual. Train what you've learned outside of class as well as in class. The class I was in had bag work and punching, blocking, kicking drills and such. We also did randori with multiple attackers and such. I found it to be very practicle and effective. I have a lot of respect for the art of San Soo. That doesn't mean there might not be some hack San Soo teachers out there, but that goes for every MA. But from the way my teacher taught his classes I highly doubt that story is entirely true. I've used San Soo in fights and I always walked away from the fight victorious. Against a trained fighter well that all depends on your tactics. The guys that attacked me were just average guys with bad attitudes and with the first movement they didn't even know what hit them. My teacher was kind of a thug and got into a lot of fights in my neighborhood. This was one of the reasons I stopped going, it just got too crazy. The last straw was when he brought a shot gun to class and had it behind his desk. He told us that if he yelled duck we should all hit the deck. I guess some people were after him. People would always tell me stories about my teacher beating the crap out of people at bars and clubs. He was a Vietnam Veteran, a boxer in the Marines, and an 8th degree BB in Kung Fu San Soo taught directly from Jimmy Woo. Not a guy I would want to be enemies with. So judge the hacks harshly, but don't disrespect the Art. Not that I think you are, but just thought I should add that.

Locks are only a part of the whole, just another weapon of fighting. If the opportunity for a lock appears take it. If it doesn't, do something else. Locks always best when you've already captured your opponents balance. Learn how to control your opponent balance and most of the time the lock is just icing on the cake.

Well if it were feasable and we are only talking fantasy here. I would say Takamatsu, Musashi Miyamoto, Mas Oyama, Morihei Ueshiba, and Hatsumi.

Have you fought any serious practitioners of JKD? I doubt you would have a chance against Dan Inosanto. People who can really fight have more respect for others.

I agree it would have had more impact if he had died. I think they built his character so well only not to have the consequence of dying for what he believed in. It definitely would have been more tragic and Japanese. They almost had a great film. Don't great me wrong I loved it. The ending was very Hollywood. A young Francis Ford Coppola would have done the story more justice. These directors aren't allowed to do what they really want anyway, so it's really not his fault. I just hope it wins something, we need more Samurai movies.

Yeah, of course. No one's perfect. Sometimes you over extend. For someone with perfect elbows slightly over extending isn't a problem. But for me a slight over extension is a problem.

Bottom line is they have created a deserved mark in MA history for themselves. The only thing is that I find among a great many of the praticioners of this art is a certain cockiness and desrespect for other MA's. I think this is a huge mistake to underestimate anyone period.

Well I think most MA's at one time or another were mixed with something else in order to perfect it. All MA's are or were mixed at one time or another. Kajukenbo is just an obvious MMA. I've never studied it, but I know people who have and it's brutal.

I think you can apply JKD concepts into most wholistic MA's. You get good at certain things that work for you, but I still feel if you drill at the things you are not good at it will improve you as well. What to strip away is subjective. You may be stripping something away that is the key to the entire MA you are studying if you start stripping things away without mastering them first.

Here's a link I found for a brace for hyperextended elbows. It's a pretty interesting design. http://supports4less.com/joint-solutions/elbowsupports/hyperextension-elbowsupport.htm

I think many people that fought in battles and actually protect their lives by fighting truely understand and respect the MA's. I've seen what MA's can do in a real situation and it was with little to no effort to stop my attacker. I respect this stuff and I try to avoid fights all the time. I don't want to fight someone for fear of what I might do and get in trouble with the law. In grappling arts a simple throw in class turns into a devasting throw on the street. A simple lock turns into a break. It's easier to damage someone and techniques work better in real situations, because the other person is attacking in haste. I know that many people will argue this point grappling arts are the most brutle and do the most damage during the fight. Techniques in grappling at full speed are hard to know what the outcome will be. More than likely you are going to injure your attacker pretty badly.

Sure I can agree with that Thuggish. A trained fighter period is going to have a great advantage over most people. I mean fighter (someone who actually fights and trains to fight) not merely any Martial Artist. Depending on the size and strength of the grappler I would say that most of the time yes a grappler will be much more suited for the street. Takedown and finish. I prefer taking someone down without going down myself and stomping or locking them up. But a good balance of striking and grappling is always the best thing. Sometimes going to the ground might be too risky depending on the situation or environment. But from your profile you have that covered.

Thanks for the advice. I found some interesting elbow braces online. They have a locking mechanism built in that doesn't allow the elbow to completely straighten even in rigorous activity. I'm gonna order one to see if it's any good. They don't hurt unless I'm careless and over extend a punch or someone elbow locks me a bit too hard in class. The only good thing is that my counters to any kind of elbow lock have gotten better. I'm so afraid of feeling that pain that I respond very quickly to the slightest hint that the elbow is being attacked. This is the longest injury I've ever had, and it blows.

I've had both elbows hyperextended. It's been about 2 years for the right and 6 months for the left and they still bother me. Budo Taijutsu. Hey by the way Rich, how did you like San Soo? I don't think that many people really know what it is. To me it's still ranks the most brutle style I've seen so far.

Does anyone know what to do about a hyperextended elbow. I don't have health insurance right now so any advice would be greatly appreciated.