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Sevenstar said: A huge disadvantage how? Do I need to know a phoenix eye to knock you out? No. Do I need to know a leopard paw to hit you in the throat? No. There are advantages and disadvantages to each methodology. The thing is, as I mentioned earlier in this thread, not all techniques a person knows are ingrained into their muslce memory. consequently, they won't be using them in fights. They will use the few techniques they use on a regular basis. Consequently, there is wasted time when you try to focus on so many techniques. That's not how you teach someone to fight effectively QUICKLY and not any way to give someone an advantage, which once again is the topic of this thread. O.K. I don't even know what you are talking about. We are talking about the list I made, not the phoenix eye? Practice and training is the key which to we all agree, but what you are training for and what I am training for are probably different. I've used some of what on the list in a real situation and some fighters in the early UFC's used them as well and were successful. Stomping someone while they are down, elbowing and striking to the back of the head, those things work just fine. Kicks to the groind will definitely cause a response that you can take advantage of even a fake there works great. I don't use pressure points, but if they annoy you they are doing there job.

So we agree?

Well if you don't know how to bait them to where you want them, you've already lost the fight.

Well BJJ came from TJJ so the strikes would fit better into it. You obviously watch too much UFC dude. You are not those fighters. You are a practitioner just like all of us.

Well I didn't realize you are the all knowing genius of MA's. You don't know that because no San Soo guy has entered in one of those competitions and they wouldn't be able to do half the stuff they train for because of the "Rules". You may think you will own them in NHB, but I know they'd own you in streetfight.

Well you've seen them in practice, but I've done them in fights. I'm not saying you are learning won't work because it will. All I'm saying is that in my opinion being well rounded is the goal.

A strong kick is a strong kick. Try it and find out. Round kicks can be snuffed if you know what you are doing and front kicks are harder to see. Plus a front kick to the groin is going to do a lot more damage than a round kick to the leg.

Well just know that what you've seen is limited to what you've been shown. So don't judge too quickly. If you really want to know go to a San Soo school for a couple of weeks and I think your opinion will change. Looking and doing are two entirely different things

Dude, of course I've been in streetfights I'm Mexican and I live in L.A. what do you think? Sorry if I'm losing you with my "theory". But theory and practice go hand in hand.

You also have hip movement in a stomp kick by the way. Try to kick a door down with a roundhouse, let me know how it goes.

It's a great addition to MMA. I also think it should keep evolving and bring back some of the TJJ strikes and kicks to make it more complete.

Thanks TJS. I sick of people not realizing the fighter wins the fight, not the MA they study.

Dude do you even know what Kung Fu San Soo is? I don't think you do or you wouldn't be saying that. No art can guarantee anything so what's your point? You obvisiously have preconceived ideas about Kung Fu in general. Don't be so foolish and underestimate any MA. You will be rudely awakened if you ever have to fight a San Soo practioner who knows his stuff.

It doesn't matter if I know how you'll react I'll feel it or see it and use it. Locks don't need to hurt to work, it's all about taking someone off balance. How do you fight when you are trying not to fall. No balance, no power. We do some full power, but not all, how can you? It doesn't mean I won't do them in a real situation. I've kicked someone in the groin before and I couldn't do that full speed in class. I've hit someone in the throat, back of neck and it worked. I really don't know what you are talking about. I can't understand why you think limiting your training to a few things is an advantage. I think it's a huge disadvantage. Unpredictability is better than predictability when it comes to a real fight. I don't play by the rules in a fight and you never know what's going to happen. Also you don't use locks to tap someone out at least not the way I'm being taught. If have the lock on you are already in a bad place. Depending on the lock I can kick to your face since you're bent over, I can use it as a takedown by stomp kicking your support leg out. I can drop my weight straight down breaking the arm. There are so many things you can do when you understand how to use it. Note that kick and strikes are still possible while grappling. I think you've been programmed to think a certain way for the ring, but you have to think outside the box in real life.

You don't know Jujutsu takedowns do you. I can take someone down and I'm upright where I can stomp someone's face into the ground. Why go down if you don't have to. If you happen to go down that is where groundfighting comes in.

Dude I used to kick box in Lima Lama I know how powerful those kicks are, but I don't think you know what a stomp kick is and it's not Kung Fu, it's Budo Taijutsu. We are talking about street fights not K-1.

I think what they've done is great, but it's mostly ground fighting.

It really depends on what TMA you are talking about.

BJJ was not designed for combat, it is designed for one on one type fights. Combat is not a one on one type fight. Arnis is excellent combat art, Kung Fu San Soo, Krav Maga (the military version), Budo Taijutsu, Kajukenbo, Silat but that's 6. OOPS!

Very well put Cymry.

I disagree that the side kick is the strongest kick. Think of when you are at the gym pressing weight with your legs. A stomp kick with all your weight behind is much stronger and safer than a sidekick.

It's essential to be well rounded and having good ground skills is very important. But I think specializing in one or the other is not a good idea if being well rounded is the goal. I don't think that the goal in a street fight should be to take someone down and go down with them. I think if you can take them down and you stay up is a lot safer and you have more options.

A good Jujutsu. You have the option of being brutal or not. Controlling is a big factor of Jujutsu and assuming the one on one is just silly. Taking someone down and keeping an up right postion whether you standing or on one knee is key. You need to be able to look around to see what's going on at all times. You said to pick an MA that doesn't take 10 years to learn to be effective. If think you could be effective with Budo Taijutsu in 5 years depending on the training methods used. It's all about attacking the balance.

Venezolano said: Maybe a linear or front kick as you've been taught isn't powerful, but a stomp kick to the hip, groin, thigh, chest is brutal and will throw them to the ground. Basically, what kick would you use to kick a door down? Do that to a person and they are done. The trick is not to telegraph the kick and drive the heel throw the person. Stomp kicks can be done at extremely close range. It's one of the safest kicks to do because your back is straight and you are very balanced.

I guess.