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Kodokan Judo, Budo Taijutsu teach great takedown and correct me if I'm wrong, but the armbar wasn't invented by the Gracies. I'm pretty sure that was a Judo move and we all know where Judo came from. The takedowns used in BJJ aren't particulary that impressive anyway. What's impressive is what they do once they are on the ground. If anything Greco Roman takedowns are impressive.

What I meant is that the little knowledge we have is insignificant compared to the knowledge we haven't obtained yet. There is so much to learn and we can't know everything and as long as we know that we, will be more open to learning. So basically, anything is possible and to say it is not is just silly. Blah, blah, blah....

You lucky bastard. I wish I would have had that at my school. I'd recommend TJJ and Judo if you can do both. If you can only do one I'd do TJJ first and then Judo.

There is much more we do not know than what we do know.

I love the path I've choosen because it is an endless path with lots of challenges and surprises.

Budo Taijutsu has similarities in the movements and some of the strikes he was doing. There is a twisting strike he did that was identical to a strike we do when we are evading a strike. The other strike he was doing was also very similar in the way his body was positioned at the end of his strike and it look like he was doing Sanchin movements throughout. Very cool.

That's really cool. It has some similarities to what I study with slight variations. Is that also done with an Uke or partner? I'd be interested to see how those movements translate with a partner.

Just because someone prefers one MA over the other doesn't mean it's complete. "It 's complete to me" doesn't work here. Does it cover many aspects of fighting? Does it cover all aspects of fighting and or combat? Complete for that Style of MA O.K., but compared to others how does it hold up? That's the question here. Not whether or not it suits the individual.

Not a problem.

Well I studied art and I am an artist. So we had to learn the foundations of drawing before we could paint. The foundations are the most important, because without that you are just blindly doing things. So once you master the foundation of art you can then go and be creative or more complex. What some people think as complex is really very simple. For example; in drawing you have the cone, the sphere, the pyramid, the cylinder, and the box. If you can master to draw and paint those in any angle and light, learning to draw and paint the figure is going to be a lot easier. With practice, depending on what you want to draw or paint, that when you start getting good. Then it just starts to become second nature. If I never had that foundation it would have taken me a lifetime to figure it out. So basically I think we are getting at the same thing here.

I'm agreeing with you. Defeat the person, not the weapon means: the stance someone takes is irrelevant. His weapons being his arms and legs. Defeat the person by moving to an advantageous position, wherever that may be.

Pretty complete, more complete than others, enough to keep you busy for a long time. I don't think better can be used here at all. Better is a matter of opinion, not fact. Complete or covers more is fair and doesn't really suggest more than that. Well Budo Taijutsu focuses on your Taijutsu or Body Movements. So no matter what we are studying whether it is weapons or grappling the Taijutsu is essentially the same and being practiced over and over. So it is very focused. I can pick up any weapon or object and use it effectively because of my Taijutsu. When ours Taijutsu is perfected everything else is just icing on the cake.

Defeat the person, not the weapon.

I think any MA that covers a lot of ground is more complete than say an MA that just focus on striking. I think a complete art covers UNARMED techniques which include striking, grappling, ground fighting, ukemi, multiple attacker scenarios, terrain scenarios, weather scenarios, training in the dark and weapons evasion/disarms. WEAPONS techniques cover, knife, bo, jo, hanbo, baton, sword, chained weapons, throwing weapons, firearms, etc.. Also teaches discipline and respect for the MA's. That to me would be pretty complete.

Chokes would still work I guess.

Note that you should be rooted when the strike happens, not before. What I mean is, if you are always rooted you will not be able to move fast enough and in order to create a powerful strike you are going from unrooted to rooted.

Some are more complete than others. I probably will never know everything there is to know about Budo Taijutsu, but I think there are some MA's that you can master in 5 years of relentless hard training.

Once it's on I think it's nearly impossible, but I've seen a cage match where the guy go out. How he got out, I don't know.

JohnnyS: There is no doubt they give you an edge. If you haven't figured out how a certain strike, pinch, lock or whatever you do to someone causes a reaction whether it stops them or not, is still a definite advantage. If I kick someone in the groin they react, they hunch over a little or a lot depending on the person, take advantage of that. You are in a clinch and you put your fingers towards their face, they flinch, take advantage of that movement. I could go on and on. The fact is, whenever you limit yourself to rules it becomes a sport or a game. A real fight is neither so why limit yourself, ANYTHING GOES BABY!

OK so what lock do you think has no escape. Please give me an example.

Just go on to any search engine and type, Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu.

Well Southpaws don't bother me. We're always switching to whatever side. It really doesn't matter.

Well I don't like to think I know everything, but what I do know is life is full of surprises.

That's great that those guys are still fighting at that age. The thing is I guarantee you they were more effective when they were in their younger years. Not entirely true of Budo Taijutsu, the old guys that have been doing it for 30 years are crazy good.

Delta said: Delta what are you studying? The balance principals are identical to Budo Taijutsu. Dude! I'm impressed.