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Oh yeah, the so called proven MA's. Uh huh.

Yeah you're right about the leg being in range, but if you have good movement there's hardly any weight on the leading leg and can moved in an instant, but that also depends upon distancing. Really the if you see the way we are being taught to move, you'd be very surprised how fast you can react to stuff. It's pretty amazing.

NO Reklats we are completely not there. We can either leave or re-engage. At higher levels you don't have to block anymore, you just know where to move to be safe and pound the other person into oblivion.

Yeah, but with true intent behind a strike if I counter you at that transitional moment you are going be thrown quite easily.

Reklats for your information it was Shamrock and the other fighter I don't remember his name, but he's a huge guy with a mustache? They battled it out pretty good and they both had heel locks on eachother and they both did not tap out. I know you know the fight. So there is an example bra!

Reklats you are completely wrong here they do have full contact in certain dojos with armor. These guys know their craft. You are simply uninformed about it. I can't believe you even said that.

TJS your just not seeing the bigger picture, not anyone can jump into the NBA you have to be a certain kind of person as well, you have to have the character and responsibility of being a pro, that doesn't mean they are less talented. I think those guys are the best MMA fighters in the world, but it all depends on the context.

Delta said: Here you do understand what I'm saying, you just don't know you do. I see what you are saying, but the top analogy don't work it can't stand without moving and we can. Think of a very heavy barrel of water. If you tip it on it's edge you can move it around, but it would be very difficult to push it around without doing so. It's based is solid like our stances and when it is moving it is not as solid. Usually we move from a wide base to a smaller base when transitioning, we are weaker in the transition. The power comes from a relaxed movement into solidity at the point of contact and through. Yes?

In your transitions from position to position is where you are in a sense not balanced. Take for example when someone throws a punch and you move at the right time taking that momentum to throw him. You are in a sense taking advantage of his own unbalancing at the right time. If you wait to long he will settle into balance, if you go to early he can easily reposition and track you. It is the transition to the position of power that generates the power. If you are in a stance and I push you it probably won't do much, but if you are moving and I push the right way you will probably fall or try to catch yourself. I hope this clarifies what I'm trying to say.

OK you're back to training methods not technique. If you read what I said both have weapons. Obviously someone well trained with a weapon is going to have the clear advantage over someone who is not well trained. This is what I mean by being out of your element.

Well Delta it's really a play of off balancing and balancing. Your really moving from position to position, start-middle-finish, middle being not in balance. I don't know if I'm making sense, but do you get what I'm saying?

I would also like to make clear that if you put someone in situation that is outside of their element, the odds are against him. TMA guys were way out of their element, but we only saw a few Styles compete in the early UFC's. Logically if you put a ring fighter in a dojo with a boken in his hand going against a kenjutsu master his going to get killed, he's out of his element. It doesn't mean that his training is not effective, he's just not in his element.

Isn't it why we all do MA's is because we have that need to protect ourselves as well as others. I guess we are all a little paranoid and insecure and MA's is sort a therapy for us.

Believe nothing you hear, half of what you see, and everything you know.

Reklats and KSN Doug thanks. I'm not trying to say MMA is bad in any way because it's not and I've said it before Sports MA's training methods are far more rigorous and superior to most TMA's. The point I'm trying to make is Eye gouging and pinching aren't what make Combat MA's, there is much more to it. I'm asking if the list I wrote are useful in reality? I'll edit the list to take out eye gouging and biting if you want, but all that other stuff is just good Combat fighting. Stomping a grounded fighter is one of the big ones. Also all you UFC fans stop comparing yourselves to those Champion fighters you are not them and never will be with the exception of very few of course. Just because those methods work for them in competition doesn't mean it will work for you against a truely viscious person on the street. I think if you train for a specific environment that's what you will excel in and that's fine. Just because those people got crushed in UFC were supposedly TMA experts don't blame the Art blame the training. I guarantee just like there are basketball players in the ghetto better than Michael Jordan who nobody knows about, there are hundreds of Traditional and Combat MA's that would hold their own quite well with any NHB fighter especially in a real fight. The real point to this is to show you that there are no rules on the street or in combat and that anything goes, anything you can think of.

Actually leading foot forward with most of your weight being supported with the back leg. This way you have full mobility of the lead foot and can kick, move, deflect with the lead leg when needed. Get used to fighting with right leg leading as well as left, it shoudn't matter. The last thing you want is to be one sided fighter. Also when someone gives you a good kick to the leg it's relaxed, a well grounded target is easier to hit.

Just curious. Is that basically the philosophy behind Krav Maga, or does it concentrate on defeating the attacker as quick as possible? Does it concentrate on vital areas as key points of attack or is it just to beat the crap out of someone with as many hits as you can get in?

First I would give him the wallet, but once I knew he wants to take her, I would just reserve myself as dead and go for it and tell her to run. We do trian for this, but more than likely I'll be shot or killed. I'd rather die fighting, than getting shot while I'm laying down. My fear turns into anger really fast which is bad in many cases. That's of course if she is a loved one. I can't say what I'd do if she is just a co-worker. It still would be hard for me to live with that, especially if she were raped or killed or both.

Yeah, I just think it's funny cause all that stuff is very useful in a real fight. That's probably why you can't do that stuff.

Butting with the head. Eye gouging. Biting. Hair pulling. Fish hooking. Groin attacks. Putting a finger into an orifice or into a cut or laceration. Small joint manipulation. Striking to the spine or the back of the head. Striking downward using the point of the elbow. Throat strikes without limitation, grabbing the trachea. Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh. Grabbing the clavicle. Kicking the head of a grounded attacker. Kneeing the head of a grounded attacker. Stomping a grounded attacker. Kicking to the kidney with the heel. Spiking an opponent to the ground on his head or neck. Holding the clothes of an attacker. Spitting at the attacker. Engaging in cruel and brutal conduct that causes an injury to the attacker. Holding the gate or the fence. Using abusive language toward the attacker. Attacking while the attacker is not ready. Flagrantly disregarding the instructions of spectators. Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an attacker, intentionally or consistently dropping the guard or faking an injury. Running to avoid confrontation. Just wondering if you excluded this from a real attack would it be smart?

Well TJS I'm not too familiar with Krav Maga. I've only seen a few video clips of techniques and it seems like they just bombard the attacker with a whirlwind of blows. I'm just wondering if evasion and escaping techniques are taught just in case your blows may not effect the attacker like you'd like to due to the size or skill of the attacker. You don't want to go head on with everyone. All I'm saying is you can't fight everyone the same way.

Exactly ShotokanWarrior, that's the idea. Don't be there.

Is Ukemi more for grappling arts than striking arts? I think all MA's should teach Ukemi.

Well I think his days are numbered if he concentrates too much on one thing.

I agree with Jerrylove on this one. Moving to the right spot throws their game right out the window. By the time they regroup it's done.