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Slim Shadey?

I think it's a balance of light contact, full contact, and drills.

I don't know about a double punch to the same area? That sounds silly. You can block or strike the arm at the same strike the head with the other fist.

Yes, I agree Kai Hwarang.

I'm not offended. Maybe I just didn't understand what or where the specific gun kata came from. I think you make some very sound points.

So what would you advise if someone pulled a gun on you at arms length? What then? Will a gun kata or gun training, disarming techniques in general come in handy? That's what I think we were talking about on this thread. Wasn't it.

"UFC is real." "Traditional MA's don't work." "But what if's?" in general bug me.

Sure, but you have to look at MA's in the context in which they were created. Some systems like Pre-1800's Jujutsu taught both simultaneously, weapons and unarmed. This is the beauty of this art. Same stuff, the only thing that drastically changes is distance and timing. The key is that the body creates the strikes and everything else, offensively and defensively. You don't abandon the techniques when you have a weapon in hand or vice versa. But I do see what you are saying.

Sorry Bro. My bad. Both are great. But yeah, you're right. BJJ will make you are way better fighter than TKD.

Yeah, I have a good cliche. "90% of all fights end up on the ground." How many times have you heard that load?

So way have a system of fighting if there is no outside force to fight?

Well in that case Budo Taijutsu.

Reklats is that traditional or BJJ? Both are great in their own way.

So just put your hands up, lay down and wait? Hell no!

JohnnyS, a good system of fighting teaches unarmed combat in which the movements and fighting in general is the same with or without a weapon. Of course practicing weapons is necessary, but both were practiced. If you lost your weapon you had to know what to do. Also you had to be able to pick up anything and use it.

I don't know, I thought it was. Train for stand up, train for ground. What about what's in the middle?

It was a 38 but that's not the point I was trying to make, but if that's what you got out of it. Great.

TJS you have hit the nail on the head on the head. Locks are definitely harder to do standing, I agree completely. Pain compliance should never be the goal of any lock, because you can't depend on that. You are attacking the structure by using the limb as a lever that is connected to the spine which in turn takes their balance. If you can take their balance it is much easier to control them and or throw them. Also strikes create openings for locks and throws to be applied and hopefully your strikes are good enough to do the job. If you disagree with this I'm done here.

Jujutsu isn't designed for sport, at least the real stuff isn't. Judo is great, but limited.

Yes, I guess we all are.

Bdaze it's refreshing to have another Budo Taijutsu practitioner around here. Where do you study?

Biased.

By the way BJJ is very different than Karate.

What Karate are you talking about? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Okinawan Karate used in Combat? If so, then it had to be design to deal with multiple attackers.

Dude do you even remember how long it took Gracie to get him in that armbar? Do you think some guy on the street is going to say, "Hey man you weigh less or more than I do so let's not fight?" Anyway you believe what you want and I'll believe what I want. Getting back to the topic at hand. Multiple ground fighting doesn't exit and it is a dumb idea.