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I just think it would be interesting and the closest thing to actually combat. You can't spend too much time with one person and you always have to be aware of what's going on around you. Multiple attacker training would have to be practiced all the time and devastating throws and strikes would be essential. Efficiency of movement and endurance is a huge factor in this type of fight. Most of all tactics and team work would be extremely important. There are styles of MA's that I feel would be better suited for this type of scenario than others, but I'm not concerned with that. I want to hear what kind of skills and tactics you guys would use in a situation like this. Let's say 10 guys on each side of the field. When one side eliminates 7 fighters from the other team the match is over. Fighters can be eliminated by knock out or submission. Submission will be the harder of the two in my opinion, but you can double team or triple team someone if you like. The team consists of light, middle, and heavy weight team members. Middle having four fighters at that weight on each side. What do you think so far?

I was wondering if there could be a fighting sport where groups of people all fight at the same time. For example, take 5 to 10 on each side in a field and they have to have a majority win. I haven't thought out the logistics of this type of competition, but it's interesting I think. So which MA's would best be suited for this type of group fighting competitions?

I think training full contact is good only after you are proficient with the basics of fighting first. Having a strong base first will help reduce the risk of getting severly hurt or vice versa. Sparring is just that it is sparring, so you are limited to what you can do. As for training for reality, that is more mental than anything else. Being attacked and fighting one on one are different animals. In many ways fighting one on one is more of a contest unless the person aims to kill you. I say handle street fights with great caution and assume the worst. In a contest you are fighting someone that probably knows more or less than you do so the dynamic is different.

TJS said: Mostly good advice except the part about learning to take a hit. I agree you should be able to take a hit and not let it shake you or mentally mess with you. The problem is when facing someone that's heavier and knows how to hit. Sometimes running faster than someone is a good alternative. I think teaching someone like this to really fight can be a bad thing. Hopefully a good teacher will straighten him out and give him what he needs the most. DISCIPLINE.

Do some research, then believe what you like. That's how it is with anything more than 500 years old or so. There simply isn't enough accurate information about it. The Ryu that still exist is a pretty good indication that Ninjas existed. Maybe they were not called Ninja, but they were specialist in espionage, stealth and warfare. I don't think it's so hard to believe that people like this existed in those times where war and fighting were commonplace.

Ninja knew how to kill and fight as well, right? So basically they fought like battle ready Samurai and knew the art of stealth. Ninja were basically like the special forces of old. There are Ninjutsu Ryu that were lost, but 3 still exist and they have fighting in them. Taijutsu means BODY MOVEMENT and Ninpo Taijutsu means Ninja body movement. So basically there is a difference between Ninpo Taijutsu and Jujutsu. Because of the stealth and evasion taught in Ninjutsu the Taijutsu is slightly modified so that stealth and fighting blend seemlessly. I hope this helps.

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Yes. It is great.

Togakure Ryu is not all stealth and espionage it is a fighting Art, and it is very similar to certain Jujutsu.

Everyone favors a side, but when it comes to evasions move where you have to. If you know where to move, you will throw anyone off. Of course that movement should have a strike or a grappling technique with it.

That's when strikes are useful.

Fireka said: If you compare the Samurai warfare that date back 1000 years and compare it to the Native Americans warfare and weaponary you'll get your answer. Ninjutsu was basically Samurai fighting arts with some stealth so I don't think our cowboys would have had it so easy if you replaced all the Native Americans with Samurai and Ninja. You also have to look at the cultures of both the Japanese and the Native Americans, that has alot to do with it. No doubt there were fierce tribes that were expert fighters, but BLOW IT OUT OF THE WATER? I doubt it very much.

Technique is technique whether painting or fighting. It is how and why you apply the technique that makes you an artist.

That all depends on the instruction and what you focus on. It's hard to be a specialist when your goal is to be rounded. You only need to be a specialist if you are competing against highly trained people. Which most cases won't be the case. So it all depend on where you are coming from.

Is Muchizmo like Machizmo?

The counter comes from a pause in the technique. When the techniques is done correctly, there is no counter. If you can anticipate the techniques you can counter it. So basically, it depends on your knowledge of the lock being applied and it's hard to think when you've just had a forearm or elbow in your face.

The most effective style is the one that teaches all aspects of fighting including psychologically unbalancing your opponent and evasion / escape techniques.

This topic again? Grappling can be used to break whatever limb you are using to control your opponent. Also the control taught in Grappling Arts gives you much more opportunity to strike them while they are most vulnerable. For example, when you've just thrown them and you are still standing above them. STOMP TO THE HEAD!

Control their spine and you control their balance. Everything comes from the spine and the spine is your center.

I've used it in a real situation.

Must of our throws are not like Judo throw where we turn our back on the opponent. I do agree with you SevenStar that those types of throw can be countered fairly easily, because you kind of still have your balance. Must of the throws we do are done when your balance has been stolen from a strike or an envasion from an attack. The key is "Flow" and when techniques are done right it is very difficult to counter. It's when there is a pause in your attack that a counter shows itself.

You know I think you are on to something. I think soccer players kick more in fights than most.

Yeah, but you may not know the knife is there. Going to the ground shouldn't be your first choice. That's basically what I was trying to get at.

Any time brotha!

It's the groin kicking art.