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Any advice on how to treat a knee injury? It's not like I can walk or run, but there is a lot of discomfort when I squat down or put too much weight on it. Any advice would be very much appreciate it.

There are people who are cool and people who are not and they come in all different colors and sizes.

That's cool. Yeah I guess we do somewhat the same kind of thing. What kind of Judo is it? Kodokan?

Sure we go one on one in class and change bodies as we go through techniques. It's important to spar with people of all weights and sizes. We do something called sanshin that isn't a very involved kata per say, but I guess you could think of it that way. We are mostly busy applying techniques and drilling. We do a lot bag work and ukemi training. I think we are probably less traditional then most schools which is why I enjoy it so much. Do you have any kata that you do in your school? What are those like?

We don't do forms. We started sparring slow, doing throwing slow and now we are able to go faster and faster. We don't do Katas if that's what you mean. Applicable experience in the dojo or in a real situation? Which is more important?

Sevenstar that guy that claimed he was from Ninjitsu was a Dux Ryu guy and an idiot to boot. There have been no Budo Taijutsu practitioners to compete in any NHB tournaments. The only guy who ever came close to being Ninjutsu was Steve Jenam and he had only studied Togakure Ryu for a short time. I think that anyone who has any real knowledge of Budo Taijutsu knows that it is a very well rounded art. It all really depends on what you want to use it for. Training can be modified for sport, but thats not what it's about. You're right about not training all the techniques full contact, only some stuff can be trained full contact. Strikes, kicks, evasions, some simple throws, grappling and takedowns. What many people don't understand until they study this stuff is that many of the throws and not meant to simply ground the person, but is designed to break and tear bone and tendons. Depending on the throw and proper technique more than likely the arm, shoulder, wrist, knee will break. I hyperextended my elbow pretty bad when a over zealous beginner threw me with one of the dangerous throws that we practice. By the way, I've been in real fights so I know the difference between training and reality and I haven't had any problem going full force. I'm sure that BJJ has non submission type locks that are meant to break and tear that can't be performed full force in training. There are many skills in everyday life that require you to practice slow before you can do it fast, it's not unheard of. Also, in many cases it is good to start slow and work your way up. So basically, the whole if you can't do it fast it's useless argument is not a very good one. Also I can't really speak for the TJJ guy or the Muay Thai guy, but I know that I've been able to handle myself quite well and that's all the proof I need. They weren't always one on one and only one of them went to the ground. This is to everyone on this site Frank Dux is not recognized by the Bujinkan. He is not teaching any Ninjutsu I've ever seen or heard of. Please don't confuse what he does and what we do at the Bujinkan. Basically we do Samurai fighting arts with a little Ninjutsu.

So you don't agree that you need to cross BJJ with something else to make it better suited for NHB and Combat? What do you base that on? How is BJJ on it's on suited for Combat? Let's explore what kind of skills are needed in Combat and compare to the principles and tactics of BJJ. I think once you do this you will realize it is not designed for real Combat in the sense of battle against many vs. many. There are MA's whether you want to believe it or not that are designed for this specific purpose.

The question is whether Jiu-Jitsu is effective for Combat. In my opinion, no. I'm saying this not to put down the system of BJJ, but even in NHB you have to cross train because of the lack of stand up skills as well as throws. By the way I don't think Frank Dux is recognized by the Bujinkan and I'm pretty sure he never studied Ninjutsu. He one of those guys who jumped on the 80's Ninja bandwagon.

Yes.

Just imagine the kind of training that would be necessary for this. I think if something like this existed we would see MA's in a whole different light.

I'd like to hear what kind of strategies would be effective in a situation like this.

I wasn't trying to infer that you were belittling. I was just referring to people who bring up that old tired argument from 1995. I think it's great that you enjoy the MA's that you do and that you get to test your skills in class. I think that's great for that competitive spirit you seem to have. I'm just saying that there are MA's that are out there that are more complete than others, that all. I think you will agree that it all really depends on the training methods and what your end goal is what determines the effectiveness of your skills. Different arts focus on differents things and some arts focus on many things.

Before people in the old days determined the effectiveness of a MA on whether or not it kept you alive. Now it's determined on whether or not you win some competition. I'm being taught a MA that was used in death matches and in battle by Takamatsu the Grandmaster before this Grandmaster Hatsumi so it wasn't that long ago. I think someone who survived battle and won death matches has a little more experience of what works in real life than some martial artist who makes his living as a prize fighter. The strategies and tactics of winning a prize fight although impressive won't guarantee the same results in combat. There are different strategies and tactics for Combat that aren't explored in NHB training. End of story.

Ignorance is bliss I guess.

How would you know there's no complete art if you've never studied one. You have a preference for MMA because believe that is what's good. I choose this Art because I believe it's good. I've taken other MA's and I've found this one to be the most interesting and effective I've experienced. Experience being the key word here. If you haven't experienced Budo Taijutsu you just won't understand. You won't understand what's going on just by looking at it. You have to study it before you can make your evaluation of whether it's complete or not. Whether you like to believe it or not there are complete fighting systems out there and if you employ solid training methods the lines blur between most styles. The difference for me is the relationships between weapons studies and unarmed combat. If you haven't studied weapons like the sword and bo staff etc., then I'm speaking a foreign language right now, and no matter what I say to you it's going to sound alien. That's why I say you have to experience it yourself. Certain styles have certain criteria and objectives to reach that's what makes them different. The only reason 1995 keeps making it's way back into the thread is that people bring it up as justification for belittling arts that they have no knowledge of. I'm just as tired of hearing that arguement as you are.

Judoka86, Yes it is essentially the same. Budo Taijutsu is composed of 6 Samurai fighting Arts and 3 Ninpo schools. The Ninpo aspect sort of permeates the other schools and vice versa. I hope that's what you were asking.

Thanks Granmasterchen.

Flexibility, balance, speed, good stretching exercises, powerful kicks.

I want to see it. I heard a lot of good things about it. I heard this guys is incredible and no wire work.

Very wise, man.

Arnis, Budo Taijutsu, Daito Ryu and I'm sure there are other arts out there.

Nicely put Delta.

Use what's there.

I would say the BJJ has distinct advantages on the mat. Judo would be more devasting on the street. If you don't know how roll out of a throw and your ukemi isn't good and you are not used to being thrown you are done.

I thought this would be interesting to explore. I tried to set up a scenario that would really be the closest thing to actual combat. Oh well.