Drunken Monkey

hehe... i think that is the closest that we will ever get warp spider to admit defeat...

with just one punch? what about all of the other punches and kicks beforehand? i'm sure they helped win the fight...

anyway, talking of video games, whats tekken4 on ps2 like? got a week to kill cos project is finished and it's time to spend some money...

with the same name? hmmm, where?

can't even mention the state?

that name is from a game. i told you, don't use games as a reference for martial arts.

as for the thing in the link, it's just something that they named after something done in a film that bears no relation to the actual move of the same name.

well, it's just another bad translation really. it is "mo ying gerk" which is better translated as no "image" foot/kick and as wcnavstar says, it is a kick that is done at close range that you cannot see. just a little revision though, it isn't accompanied by hand distraction, rather it is a kick employed when your hands are tied or in conjunction with hand techniques. think of how us wing chun guys use a simple front stomp/kick to knee/hip/stomach and you'll get the idea...

....but what about the djs? once upon a time, the rappers were there to accompany the djs, now the rappers ger more cred... what's up with that? what about mix master mike and q-bert???

how about them ones they use to "implode" buildings? using a precise explosion to "cut" a guy in half sounds fun! you could even experiment in trying to create zig-zag cuts or something...

i always do the same trick twice.... it's the finish that is always different! sorry, i DO get what you are saying...

well, i think you understood where my question was heading with regards to the initial question asked.

um, thanks a lot guys. i'm a chinese guy so the chinese legends/myths/history have kinda been force fed into me but the japanese martial arts history has always eluded me and i never really knew where to start. i'll ask more questions when they pop up...

wing chun guys sometimes get stuck in the chi sau mentality and forget that sometimes, you have to "lose" the hands to hit the opponent. this leads to them forgetting to go for the opening and keep the contact/stick for longer than is necessary. when they concerntrate on the stick, the otherwise clear, precise, sharp movements turn into overcomplicated flowing movements and the "shock" isn't there anymore. when this happens, i tend to tell them to separate and go back to some two man punch/break drills. this tends to tidy it up until their hands get tied up again...

i don't understand why the rappers (mcs) get more cred than the djs. have you seen them hands move?

i'm slightly confused here guys. shaolin is generally the style from the shaolin temples and as such is normally refered to as shaolin kung fu or shaolin kuen. isn't kempo the japanese way of saying "fist style" or something similar? where did this shaolin kempo come from?

i believe that everything has value. after all, even bad technique has value because after you do it, and you find out it doesn't work, you have learnt something. point sparring has it's place in your training and, in my opinion, is as important as full contact sparring, which is as important as "shadow boxing" type training, which is as important as forms training... you have to train everything. for example, in a full contact sparring session, you cannot possibly execute moves perfectly, smoothly, calmly etc etc, which is why you need to practice the move in a form (or however you choose...) in a point sparring session, you don't get the real idea of impact, range, struggle etc etc so you need to go full contact. neither really allow you to practice speed so you need to go to shadow box type training to build speed and fluidity.

methinks i should get a book on okinawan/karate/japanese/martial arts history... anyone got any good recommendations? so, just correct me if i'm wrong here. karate is technically an okinawan thing (that derived from native arts and shaolin) it was "imported" to japan where they redefined its training to suit teaching to the masses (and/or for sport reasons) the move to japan was less than a hundred years ago. samurais have nothing to do with it. (following that, use of ninja's etc has nothing to do with it) the principle differences is in the training and different emphasis during training. okinawan WAS more on effectiveness+actual execution. japanese is more on the precision of execution (less on actual use, depending on the style)

i take it you're not going to look for that thread and read about what katas/forms are for then... you might learn something. at the very least you will hear more about what some of us think.

so samurai had nothing/little to do with karate in general?

and if i have to answer this then you know less than i thought. it isn't about not practicing how it is performed but rather that what we practice isn't always how it is performed. there's a thread somewhere here about forms. go find it, have a read.

why don't you just ask mr poteet who certified him?

hmm defending yourself DOES NOT mean beating the otehr guy to a pulp. if all of your martial arts training has not taught you how to subdue without pounding the other guy to the ground then maybe you need more training.

so where do the samurai and related things fit into this?

like i say, IF he isn't still in afghanistan. and if he did try to get back into the states, you think he'll be wearing his usual get up? as for your airport security, i think september the 11th said a lot about that. but anyway, like i said, we're killing this guy's thread.