47MartialMan

Yeah-the drugs are "really" needed

yeah- I know what you mean....but it still hurts and it still get it there more as years go by.

But old ma are different. As I had mentioned they still have some "tricks up tjhe sleeve."

But in many McDojo schools they want it to define. Why else would they state: "This is a Black Belt School for Black Belt Excellence"

So if they dont comprehend as well-why teach them MA?

not only that traditional arts are being diluted when fewer and fewer people seek to inflate their own rank(ego) just by changing a few moves instead of seeking the depth that is already in the various arts they studied I like this. This is a going trend.

I think Rich67 summed it within about 3 posts. Rich-may I copy and quote you when I speak to these "Pro" wrestling fans?

But that os my point- A "out of shape" instructor, who has fighting skills, can he teach?

Ok, sorry if I had offended any Ninjutsu practitioners. Anyone here practice it?

That is my same point. Per this thread also: http://www.karateforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=15818 Being fit should not be a requirement to teach. Anything can be "taught"

A instructor doesn't have to be as fast or as strong as the student. He only has to know the way you do the techniques, strategy and so on. Look at all the sport coaches. They can't dribble the ball or shoot it as good as his players, but still I don't see any 25 year old NBA coaches. But unlike a martial art instructor/master-whom has a few "techniques" and skill "up the sleeve" that can put their student in "place". Of course this is only true when your instructor is old and physically limited. If my instructor was 30 and overweight (by this I don't mean couple of kilos extra, I mean FAT)/weak I wouldn't take him seriously. Well I had mentioned this on another thread. Physical fitness/age, of a teacher/instructor. But is old and physically limited in relation to overwieght?

Moses-at 26? Are you kidding? I am the fourth oldest 1.) 70's 2.) Upper 50's 3.) Lower 50's 4.) Pushing the big Five "O" (50)!

I bet you are "relieved" to be back.

Careful kchenault, That sounded weird.

I agree w/Ottman You cant go around with the attityude and purpose to maul someone or sent them for medical care. If you are in the US-as stated, the law can turn on you. Then you will be paying for someone's medical expenses. And have this on record. And next time it happens, you will get in more legal trouble. Use the right amount of force. If you get punched in the face-it was as much your FAULT for not properly blocking. Also, it is as much as your FAULT for getting in that situation.

Wow, I can say this, it is the FIRST time I saw a actual confrontation of one guy grabbing another guy's wrist.

Nice post/reply Rich67. I was posting a "devil's advocate", a debate that I always have with "Pro Wrestling" (ugh-misnomer) fans. They always debate me as it being a martial art because there exists "fighting". Thank you for your patience and imput.

"....who never really had those kicks in their HKD curriculum are most likely practicing Choi's Yawara system. Just a little foot note to keep people more confused than before." Yes we are talking about the early 70's, when I was living in baton Rougem Louisiana. I had studied Hapkido under He Young Kimm I have read somewhere, and I can't place it-that a ancestor/grand relative of the Takeds Family/Ryu had actually srudied martial arts in other Asian countries-per China. Thus :bringing back: Ju Jitsu fundamentals.

Yes, the respect has to be mutual. Why else would BOTH teacher and student bow?

markusan-"This book deals with the Jhanas in great detail and outlines eight in two sets of four." Ah, I see where you get the eight. I thought it was a "straight" eight that you were in reference to. I had several Buddhist sources for decades, overseas corrrespondance (pre "Internet") and practitioners in a local temple, as which has many visiting monks from all over the globe. But my most prodiment mentor, is a college professor whome teaches courses in this specifically. Whom had become a martial art student of mine. It is strange when our roles are reversed as we switch from each subject/topic. As we exchange our "teachings", we also give each other "gifts". His are many publications that I have to keep re-reading. Perhaps explaining the Jhanas, or Apanas (Pali) maybe in too much depth for some on this board. Did you know that some Buddhists in Tibet do not consider China as a "Conquering Country"? They believe Tibet was always under Chinese rule for centuries. After discussion with them, I come to the conclussion that they have been "instilled" with that "mindset". Speaking in terms of the Ch'an (Ch'en) Buddhism sect, these particular Buddhists never have the intention to go out and “beg” for their livelihood. They are self-sufficient whom “make their own way”. Which has one to ponder; “How can a Monk, from that sect, charge for lessons?” Another thing to ponder, from the further research on Ch’an/Ch’en Buddhism, has one to wonder;that "Why would such a devotee, to such a temple, that had a specific origin and philosophy, meditation as insight to enlightenment, become one with a main affixation with teaching a fighting method for monetary compensation? And yet, such a temple, with its devotees, was in a remote mountain region, to escape contact of regular social order. Why would such, become known, through commercialism and other propaganda, to put forth claims of being a skilled instructor in fighting methods and do so openly?" Reminds me in reference of the Kalama Suttra.

I know. I agree. I just want to figure out the time spent for uses other than competition. However, could the arms be strong, by other means, without such concentration for that?

In the book 'Shotokan's Secrets' the idea is put forth that 'naha te' is nothing more then chuan fa with closed fists. Sanchin is a Chinese foam of body hardening and meditation. For more info do a google search for Uechi ryu. Do you have any favorite links?

Yes, but putting your guard up prematurely telepaths you.