47MartialMan

12th Dan and Shaolin Monk/Trainee.

Yes, nicely put

When a judge see your opponent's "brush" as a actual hit and you lose the match. That is the "point".

I am not challenging your background, just the comment that you made that you had "the answer". Which, given the choices, it will depend on the practitioner and the art. I gave course to explain, to those that may interpret, or mis-interpret, what my view of "training under" is. Not a challenge to anyone's background or skill. Get it?

Yes, but from his experience and knowlege from that, he has instilled a passion to teach. But is that passion coupled with profiteering?

To further explain, Most Important- Now, don’t take offense. By my interpretation, to study “under” someone is to study, constantly, consistently, concisely, and most important, personally with them. Take for example, if I say that I studied Shotokan, would leave it to a particular martial art. But if a say I studied at Mikami Shotokan School (Mikami not actually claiming to be the creator of Shotokan) becomes more descriptive. Now if I say I studied “under” Mikami, would mean that I had constantly, consistently, concisely, and personally studied/trained with him. Which, in most cases, such the prominent “head”, would not be around constantly “showing”, but only as a guest or on occasion, could not be considered as training under someone-directed sense. But perhaps, the whole could be said that I trained in the Shotokan School of Mikami.

Well, if he was a guest instructor, then perhaps you did not have consistant/concise tutelage under him? No offense. And, is he still alive? It is the same one I am thinking of-he isn't.

In my very early youth, if it were my butt that you kicked, I'll be coming at you again and again, no matter getting beat, until I got satisfaction. Which is one reason I was "sent" to martial arts-discipline.

Yes, point sparring has many disadvantages or cons. I believe, nowadays, it is for "youthful exuberance".

Hey, the mentioning of your website, per your martial art, or its "practices", I like. It was the other two, that were a little "forward", commercially.

markusan, how do you get experience withouut doing it? Which is why I stated the second; On the other hand, sparring early, increase certain abilities and make them become intrinsic. While continuing proper "form", both are simo accomplished. I have studied one art, with the same philosophy of not sparring until "time". Fundamentals had to be detailed and "routinely drilled" beforehand. Although, I may slightly disagree with it, in relation to sparring, I can understand reasons behind it.

Yes, I agree. Could it be, that its practice, use, did not have much degree, per material, when put against the material/structure of the sword?

In college, having a Professor of Buddhism, which later became a student of mine in martial arts, gave me much insight to Bodhisattva subjects. From my many notes, it can be basically, but not completely understood, by Occidentals. The subject of meditation gets deep, to very descriptive levels. From many Bodhisattva Mandalas, teachings or practices, meditation, is but one. There are mandalas for Medical/Healing, Elements, Human Characteristics, Movement, Experience, and Symbolism. The later being the most acceptable, but inadequate, term/definition per a art form. (To which some English dictionaries mis-define) Almost as detachment to things, but mindful and aware. Buddhism had bhavana ("culture" or development") into two general kinds of meditation, smatha, (samaadhi, or cittekaggata), meaning mental concentration, and vipassana, (vipasyana, or vidarsana) meaning insight from which spawned the Chinese version Ch'en. From which the Japanase pronounce as Zen. All of which will give one insight to why Ch'en Temples, such as Shaolin, its practitioners accepted the "meaning" of physcial conflict, i.e. fighting. Thus with Zen, accepted by the Samurai. The only difference between the Chinese and Japanese version, was addition of bushido. In all, it can be considered as mindfulness or awareness with regard to one's activities, to live in the present moment, to live in the present action. It can be considered to be one that hasn't to perform any particular action in order to develop mindfulness. But one has to be mindful and aware whatever they do. One has to only cultivate mindfulness and awareness.

Are you sitting in a Lotus or semi Lotus position?

Well, is the original poster opening two categories? Martial Art Athelete vs a Martial Artist. How does athletics deem that to be a superior martial artist? So, given a MA athlete that can run faster be one that can defeat someone that does not? By some twist, couldn't all MA athletes be "considered" as Martial Artists? So, the old masters, cannot be good, because they cannot run the quarter faster than the young-athletic Martial Artist? Carl Lewis, Bill Gates? If you were to look at it, much martial arts give a advantage to small-weaker persons that do not have to be athletic. If Carl Lewis, being a superb athlete trained with Master Joker in Tae Kwon Leap, is he actually going to fair better then Bill Gates with Aikido, Karate, Kung Fu, or other well-known, well-proven, and well-effective art? Hmmnnn.

And do you now know his (Planas) wher abouts? If not, ask your teacher. I am looking for him (Planas)

Yamaguchi? Where and what were the years?

Well in one hand, it can be that basics, or training, has to be continuous. Like to its proper execution or perfection. Until such is reached, sparring would be almost pointless, lacking proper "form". In anaolgy, one cannot paint a scene, without learning about the differant pastels, brush, tools, and techniques. On the other hand, sparring early, increase certain abilities and make them become intrinsic. While continuing proper "form", both are simo accomplished. In anaolgy, if one is to practice, eye-hand cordination, then a brush should be in hand and let the paint flow. Then discovery and things are "seen" differently.

Yes, I was aware if that. The "famous Hapkido Cane" and its testing

Same, here. One school didn't allow black belters under 18, so it took me 7 years in that one particular.

Yeah, pics would be nice

Is it insurance reasons, per making such philosophy? Is the instructor in fear of law suits? Or perhaps, he wants to make sure someone gets enough experience before sparring

Per the original poster, the term, superior Aikido throw, I have seen many Aikido throws exactly the same in Aikijutsu, Kung Gu, Judo, and Hapkido. So, can the "labeling" could be just "generic"?

I have seen many about 4-5 years. Any other responses?

Yes, I had thought the answer would be the degree of skill from either. Perhaps another question could have followed: Can a sai made in the "day" withstand a sword attack, per its material vs the material of the sword?