Judodad_karateson

Good advise, I'll have to work my core a lot more, see how that works. I ran track in high school, so I was pretty confident my form was good. But in light I recent events, and considering the advances in sport medicine since that time, you're absolutely right, a little research is definitely in order.

SIde note: while my legs are as weak and sore as you'd expect from my first run in years, my back just feel mildly weak and not sore at all right now. Not sure if that means anything to anyone.

Hey guys. So I've decided to start running. I downloaded the couch25k app, which is great, and started today! THe problem is light, the first day is 5 minute walking warmup, follow by 8 sets of run for 1 minute, walk for 90 seconds. Cake, right? 30 minutes in all, if you include the warm up and cool down, with only 20 of real cardio. Will, I was huffing and puffing, but making it through... then about 10 minutes in, my lower back started hurting. at 12 minutes, I had to stop and put my hands on my knees to relieve the pain. By the 15 minute mark, I had to find a spot to sit down. After a minute of sitting, I stood up, and my back seems fine. So I started walking home. I ran for 1 minute set again a few minutes later, and the pain crept back. It never got as bad as it was when I had to sit, but i'm been home for 20 minutes, took a shower, and my back feels weak, like your legs on leg day. I am an office drone, I set down for 8 hours a day, and outside of Karate, which just started 2 months ago, I lead a pretty sedentary life. I have a little bit of a gut, but I'm not obese by any means, just out of shape. I think, based on the kind of ache it is (it feels kinda like thesame kind of lactic acid buildup soreness you feel when weight lifting), I think it core muscle weakness, maybe a few back exercises will set things right? Any thoughts from the runners in the group?

A very Interesting question.

Imho, it is this attitude that is the cause of Karate going down the toilet. Karate wasn't made in a day, the techniques we learn in modern Karate was collected over generations. At what point did we all decide " "? At what point was growth and development deemed "bastardizing?Karate isn't just a group of movements, it's a spirit and a tradition that is in no way infringed upon by adding additional techniques to class. Karate should be defined by the spirit of the Kiai and Oss, not the hours of karate required. Karate should always be the way of

I don't know about you, but I find this very relevant to Martial Arts. http://i59.tinypic.com/t987ra.jpg Credit:XKCD

I think it's a lot of factors. You can't just throw people at the local Y, you need some pretty pricy mats. Even if you have your own facilities, that price may be too high if your style is striking focused anyways. It also means the students will either have to buy a Judo/BBJ gi, or replace their karate gis more often. The training is pretty specialized, as well. An instructor with limited grappling training could lead to some seriously injured students. And then there are the McDojos, as wel. You can "punch-kick-air" all day long and never have a student question you by avoiding sparring, but you HAVE to pair off and work moves in grappling, you can FEEL an effective air bar or a hip throw.

I agree, Karate should be/could be/is more that just striking. And this school does incorperate throws and sweeps a lot, plus if it wasn't for the fact that the Karate class is temporally taught in a church due to landlord issues, there may be more grappling here. I don't necessarily agree with the BJJ logic that "90% of fights go to the ground" but a large chunk of fights will result in some form of clinch as some point, and having some experiences dealing with that would be very useful. ESPECIALLY with the popularity of MMA, people are far more likely to grapple with you than in the past, when Boxing was the most viable combat sport. But doing randori into class, and grappling all class are 2 entirely different experiences. I totally agree, however, a little bit of something is better than doing nothing at all. I do feel that I am benefiting from the randori stuff and it is opening my eyes to different elements of my art, making me think of my body position more etc and where I can go after (arm lock and so on) Exactly, exposure is a wonderful thing. Some people try and sell grappling as superior to striking-focused arts, but that's not entirely true. In my experience, it's not the superiority of grappling, but the lack of exposure to grappling in some striking arts. Knowing is half the battle!

Listening to some old Joe Rogan Podcasts, when I can across . Like most JRP, they jumped around topics, but around 34 minutes, they start talking about the subject of ADHD/ADD. I've been a sufferer all my life, on and off various pills (been off for a while not, I just don't like the come down).He stated ADHD suffered have an underactive prefrontal lobe. There people may be prone to "create conflict" to light up that part of the brain. I would say MA is a health outlet for that conflict, personally. Thoughts?

I agree, Karate should be/could be/is more that just striking. And this school does incorperate throws and sweeps a lot, plus if it wasn't for the fact that the Karate class is temporally taught in a church due to landlord issues, there may be more grappling here. I don't necessarily agree with the BJJ logic that "90% of fights go to the ground" but a large chunk of fights will result in some form of clinch as some point, and having some experiences dealing with that would be very useful. ESPECIALLY with the popularity of MMA, people are far more likely to grapple with you than in the past, when Boxing was the most viable combat sport. But doing randori into class, and grappling all class are 2 entirely different experiences.

Yeah, that's true, I don't think I'd burn any bridges. And he knows I have an interest in Judo/BJJ. Actually, that is a good idea, I think I could work both. my son couldn't because of the timing of the kids classes, but the BBJ school is pretty flexable, I could take both for a little while. I would enjoy that, I think.

This is going to be kind of a ramble, I just want your thoughts. Or maybe I just need someone to listen, who knows. Your thoughts are welcome either way. As my name implies, and some of you know, I'm an old Judoka. Judo isn't very popular in my area (nearest school is hours away). Due to that, money, and scheduling purposes, my 5-year-old and I ended up going with Karate, and we love it... for a while. Lately, I see him looking kind bored in class, and I have to admit, Karate isn't nearly as exciting as I recall Judo being. Well, schedules, money, etc, has all changed, and I found a new BJJ in my area that I think we will love. I will enjoy grappling more, and I think my son will. More contact, more interaction, for someone with Adult ADD and a 5yo boy, grappling classes are just more engaging. Honestly, I'm pretty excited about putting the thick gi back on, and seeing if my son will love it as much as I did. HOWEVER, I can't shake the feeling of guilt, I love my karate school. The Master very knowledgeable, even has some judo training. We have a lot in common outside of MA. His wife, who teaches the kids, is wonderful with them. Lots of black belts who are well trained and happy to teach, and plenty of students at my level who can enjoy the journey with me. I've also very interested in the unique skills that Karate offers that Judo and BJJ do not (kobudō, Kata, Tameshiwari, etc). But I just don't know if my heart is in this art.

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In JJJ I practice a few joint locks that may be considered small joint manipulation. The thing is simply that we don't use them during randori, and hence I am not sure I can apply them as I have not done so. If there were evidence that training them the way we do allows them to be consistently used it would help put my doubts to rest, and allow me to focus more of my training on this area. Anecdotes generally aren't considered stong evidence. How can you tell me with such confidence they are not effective a few post back, then turn around now and tell me you really haven't had had a change to try them? Of course anecdotal evidence is rarely valid, as I said, there are no scientific studies on the topic, but it beats no experience at all.

I'm highly interested in evidence of small joint manipulations being consistently effective in stand-up against skilled and agressive opponents. Can you provide some? It would benefit my training indeed. All antidotal for me, I don't think a study has been done on the subject. What doesn't work for you? Lets talk through it, see if we can troubleshoot your problem.

Spar, Spar, and then spar some more. Sign of for a few boxing and or kick boxing classes to get some extra sparring with different styles in, spar with classmates outside of class. Spar like Chuck Norris is coming to beat the tar out of you in a week. I think everyone else covered this, but it sounds like you are just lacking in combat experience. All the knowledge is the world is useless if you've never had to use any of it.

I don't think Karate in its most basic form is going anywhere. Boxing/Kick Boxing need specialize equipment, and its sole purpose is sport, not as an are, hobby, or self-defence. Judo and BJJ need a special designated space, you can't grapple anywhere. But Karate, all you need is a body and an open space. It can be taught at the Y, in a church kitchen, or even at a local park. Competition is optional, you can learn the art without having to go to a single tournament. That being said, Bruce Lee was on to something with his "no-style" philosophy. Karate will never go away, but it will change greatly. Some schools will still see the historic importance of keeping with traditions, but I think we are going to see a shift at some point. As society changes, so do the self-defence and combat needs. There isn't much use, for example, in knowing how to fend off a master of the katana with a rowing oar or gardening equipment (archaic equipment at that). There isn't use use in knowing how to use a Katana, for that matter. In the same way that BJJ came from Judo when some kids from Brazil needed to defend themselves from bullies who like to knock people on the ground and beat them, Karate will change to emphasis the needs of the society it is being taught. The core ideas will remain, but techniques will change and adapt. I think some will take a great self-defence focus, while others will embrace MMA, and introduce more grappling into their curriculum.

What is the rule bias? As I already mentioned, the rules of early UFC ONLY banned striking maneuvers, while giving grapplers a no-hold-barred mat to test their skills on. I don't think that's clear at all. Which rules do you think made the early UFC events biased against strikers? If you are a striker up against a grappler and have no good takedown defense, you're going to be playing the grappler's game before long, and that's a game you'll lose. It seems to me that that is what happened in the first few UFCs. Once strikers started picking up enough grappling to stay on their feet, or to get back up failing that, striking did start to become much more successful in MMA. Now, fighters need to have solid skills in all ranges. Every single rule in early UFC banned some kind of strike, normally pretty effective ones. Not one rule on the limits a grappler could go. UFC was no-holds-barred, but had no qualms barring all kinds of strikes. When they did start banning grappling techniques, they started with small joint manipulation and standing joint locks, the kind easiest to transition from striking and most effective in a clinch. By the time everything stating leveling out, BJJ was already a staple of every MMA training regimen, and there is such a demand for BJJ, they're giving teenages with blue belts their own schools!!! You are quite wrong. Small joint manipulation and standing joint locks, though not impossible are the most difficult techniques to pull off against a live opponent. I dont think many, if any would be pulling them off, even if they were allowed. But you can believe what you want. First of all, the point of my post was not how effect this moves are, but that they were the first to be banned by UFC. So if you are correct, it doesn't make me "quite wrong" but only strengthen my point that the rules are created to favor ground grappling. But on top that, I strongly disagree. In the scenarios I listed (in a clinch), with opponents whose hands are not wrapped or gloves, small circle is extremely effective for a trained Martial Artist.

I don't think that's clear at all. Which rules do you think made the early UFC events biased against strikers? If you are a striker up against a grappler and have no good takedown defense, you're going to be playing the grappler's game before long, and that's a game you'll lose. It seems to me that that is what happened in the first few UFCs. Once strikers started picking up enough grappling to stay on their feet, or to get back up failing that, striking did start to become much more successful in MMA. Now, fighters need to have solid skills in all ranges. Every single rule in early UFC banned some kind of strike, normally pretty effective ones. Not one rule on the limits a grappler could go. UFC was no-holds-barred, but had no qualms barring all kinds of strikes. When they did start banning grappling techniques, they started with small joint manipulation and standing joint locks, the kind easiest to transition from striking and most effective in a clinch. By the time everything stating leveling out, BJJ was already a staple of every MMA training regimen, and there is such a demand for BJJ, they're giving teenages with blue belts their own schools!!!

Makes you just want to open a Kempo school and be done with it, doesn't it? I think you should just go the way of the Gracies, rename all the moves, and call it "Texan Karate," lol. Everyone can scream "Yeehaw" instead of Oss or Kiai, the Gis can have patches (But only if the patches are of the Cowboys, Texans, Aggies, or Longhorns), and the belts, instead of being tied, will have giant buckles. Instead of a bow, everyone can do the head nod and say "Howdy." Weapons training will be a pocket knife, lasso, and a pool cue.

Actually I don't know if I agree with the statement, the part about the UFC being set up for jujitsu. The first UFC fights had pretty much know jujitsu in them, in fact they were pretty different than what you see now days. Originally you saw people with traditional background stepping in and if you came something that anybody with some blended systems who was tough could make it as a fighter, which is fine but hoyce Gracie didn't even make an impact until later on when he was running into guys twice his size that looked like they were gladiators and he was disposing of them, with his skinny physique, this is what pave the way for jujitsu to become popular the way it is today. Who won the first 2 UFC? BJJ. Who won the 3rd? Judo. 4th? Wrestling. 5th? Sambo. It wasn't until UFC 13 that someone with a striking background won a UFC, and that was after they started splitting it into 2 weight classes, and the heavyweight was Wrestler. There is clearly a rule bias against strikers in the UFC events.

MMA was created by the Gracie's as a marketing tool. They started the Dojo storms, where they would go to gyms and challenge fighters, then they created the UFC, where fighters come to them. MMA rules and equipment were designed to favor not just grappling, but newaza specifically. Of course, nothing can beat a solid punch to the jaw, so there is enough variety that most people don't notice this. But make no mistake, BJJ is always be a dominate art in UFC, because that is what UFC was created to exhibit. MMA is a sport on par with kickboxing or catch wrestling. As for the photo, it's complete nonsense. There is plenty of style, grace, and technique in the MMA, plenty of brutality in TMA. The most successful MMA combatants have donned Gis years before they ever even though about entering the cage, and doing so only advanced their talents further.

I don't subscribe, I like to go to Hasting's and grab a few every now and then. Blackbelt is Pretty cool for entertainment, keeping up to date with the latest trends. Juijitsu Magazine is pretty good. Not just for grappling, it's got some great tips for fitness training and MA mental aspects.

Definately stick with it! Going from Judo to Karate myself, I can say its a WORLD of different, as you now know. Be sure to update us on how you're doing!

I agree with Wado. HEMA is a fascinating field of study. But this is more like glorified American Gladiators. Not saying I wouldn't try it, haha!