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because you cant realistically spar with eye gouges, unless you are not wearing gloves, if so you would have to fouces soley on eye gouges, unless you were willing to fight bare knuckle, if so then that would be the best way. It's not more diffiucult or anything, they are simply not used to people kicking their groin..I just used MT fighter as an example because they are obviously know for being proffivent at blocking with their legs..most people arent thats why you should spar with them. I was simply saying you should practice them on a resisting opponet. its protection, just like boxing gloves or shin gaurds or a mouthpiece..obviously you would get hurt alot more without these..just like you would on concrete. i dont rely on suface, the last place I want to be is the ground..so ?I do end up there it's proabably not by choice and if im there I at least want to be on top. dont know what your talking about there. no eye gouges are simply not very easy to implement if you wan to use other combatives because of the gloves.

then you are going to get beat down no matter what your stlye.

exactly, thats why I said "not that it' common " when refering to a eye gouge thrown like a punch Similar actions..not the same. Why do alot of Muay Thai fighters have trouble defending their groin against someone who is good at throwing gron kicks? they obviously have no problem blocking low kick yet this usually throws them off. how many arms have you broken with these techniques? there is alot more ot grappling than just the lock/choke...positioning/escapes/takedowns/takedown defenses/reversals/ etc....that IS all paracticed 100% If I hit you hard enough to dissorient you then it's neccesary to keep hitting you? no becuase obviously at that point you can finish it. i never said you cant spar 100% i just think it's easier in grappling. no I said it does not take skill to throw a stright punch, it takes skill to land them properly on a resisting opponet. so if i asked why a certain stlye does not use arm locks we should start discussing if they use hook punches? the two have nothign in common, you are trying to make things up try sticking ot the original topic, here is what it was-

not that it' common but if you were to throw an "eye gouge" it could be dofended the same way a punch could..A groin kick requires diffrent technique than any other kick. obviously if they can get out of the position your not going to break anything. thats the entire point. as opposed to not practicing them at all and having the "our techniques are too deadly to practice attitude"? if someone submitts it's becuase they had no other option to avoid a break. it's rediculoud to say your not practicing realistically just beacuase you dont actually break it. no not at all, in grappling you can practice 100% with your opponet resisting 100%..just like you can spar full contact...does that mean you have to knockout you opponet after you daze them in order to spar full contact? does it take alot of skill to throw a straight punch? no. does that mean you could land them at will against a good fighter? you put way to much empasis on this. eye gouges are not the magic soultion to everything. besides this has nothing to do with the topic i started.

no, you learn technique thru drills...you learn HOW to do something from drills...when you sprar you lean how to APPLY it. i think your overestimating the amount of technique in an eye gouge. groin kicks/knees are a combative just like any other punch/kick etc..you should get used to throwing them and blocking/countering them in a fight.

well if you are refering to breaks as in Arm bars/leg locks etc..then you practice 100% yes...you relese the hold when they tap out...if they tap out you know they were unable to get out of the position and had to submit to avoid a break. thats the great thing about Grappling you can practice 100% eye gouging...once again it does not take much skill and you cant really spar with it...eye gouging is more of a grappling move..close range combat..it not that easy to poke someone in the eye like a punch...we do parctice drills though.

nevermind

"If a certain stlye of combat does the same thing for the last 100 years without change, I say that they are doing it wrong. Everything changes and should get better. Cars get better, people get bettter, tennis players get better techniques, and soccer players get better techniques......most things in life are evolving all the time, do not stick with old tradition blindly. Dare to change when it feels right. Im not saying stop your respect of old tradition. No, DO respect tradition and keep doing it, but if you are training for fighting you must change and/or improve....dont stand still or the world may pass you by...." -Bas Rutten-The Greatest MMA'ist in the world, 2nd deg black belt in TKD, 2nd Deg in Kyokushin, Muay Thai fighter, Submission wrestler. things get better its a simple as that..people build and improve off of things... To think that you can not improve on things is simply rediculous..something created a long time ago may not be "obsolete" but if you continually improve things there will be more effective routes. this is true for everything yet people still try and say it does not hold true for MA's.

no, you cant get good at defending hair pulling or biting ...anyone can do it theny dont take any skill.

McDojo!!!

do you have any reasoning for this other than speculation?

dude why? He works as a bouncer somewhere beating up teenagers...he just couldent handle that horrible beatdown by an 18 year old kid at superbrawl

thats good then. I generally say Kyokushin but It's offshoots and other Full contact karate stlyes are also effective..the proablem is 90% of the karate scholls in the U.S. do not train like that.

If you aren't training effectively because you don't spar with groin kicks, what about eye-gouging, head-butting, biting, scratching, hair pulling, breaks, etc? Personally, I want to have children someday, and I'm confident in my ability to protect my groin. biting/eye gouging/hair pulling are not similar to groin kicks in any way yea and im confident in my ability to block punches..but i never practice it ..whats the diffrence?

despite what some may think, normal people dont go stright for eye gouging...they throw punches..usually wild ones. Full contact sprarring mma style is pretty close to real combat.

do you spar with 100% power bare knuckle like Kyokushin does?

Why would someone who is used to getting hit hard, used to hitting resisting opponets hard, and someone who has refined their techniques to be efficent in a real fight not be better equiped then someone who has never been in a full contact fight? A full contact fighter will always be better prepared for a fight.

well thats nice and politicaly correct and all, but unfortuantly some stlyes are more effective than others.

polymetrics, foucus mits..just make sure your partner gives good resistance.

very true, Things like Biting/ eye gouging/groin shots can be very effective but only if you have a solid knowladge of grappling. Full contact fighters are the best fighters in the world and thats a fact. I think it's funny how people try to discred the UFC as a proving ground yet in UFC 1-5 the only rules were no biting and no eye gouging...unless you base your entire ability to fight on those things then that argument hold no weight. some people dont like to accept certain facts.

No, most people would make fun of you by doing karate chops or making "kia" noises.

you have to know BJJ to succed at top levels it s a simple as that. But i do like how strikers are comming back.

yes if they couldent do it in UFC 1-5 then they cant do it now...Royce even got bitten By Gerard Gordau..you know what it got him? An extra vicious choke that royce didint realse very quickly..

kicks are far from useless but i think Hands are a little more important. I persoanlly belive the kick/punch ratio of many stlyes is a little too high and they foucus too much on high kick. kicking does leave you open for takedowns and limits your mobility