I already checked out Mr.Delucias web page,I was talking about subgrappler. "TJS wrote: Jason DeLucia wrote: Goju_boi wrote: one question for the people that have been into the ufc for a long time,why did the kung-fu guys suck in the octagon? to be fair ,eugene jackson and keith hackney are excellent examples of kung fu fighters that can hang with the best of them . correct me if im wrong but hackney always claimed kenpo karate as his style. Credit him one name- he was too humble to, but should have said "Keith Hacknet]y, Eugene Jackson AND ME are excellent examples of kung fu fighters who can hang with the best of them."