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Goju Ryu is not better than TKD but certainly much more well rounded than TKD.

Actually I was talking about 頂心肘. I know 外門頂肘 but have never really heard of 內門頂肘 but it could be the other name for center gate elbow. Yes you are VERY right, range is ALWAYS my problem, Baji Quan is only good is close range, it does have some long range moves but they are all crapy. I myself learned a lot of Muay Thai low kicks from a friend of mine and I actually use them a lot during sparring. Tell you the truth, I too went to learn Baji Quan because of Virtua Fighter and one thing for sure is that if it's not for Virtua Fight, there will be way lesser people still know about Baji Quan today, some people will say that Baji Quan was actually made famous by Virtua fighter. Yes, the same thing 內門頂肘 is the other name for center gate elbow By the way, do you mind to tell me where you learn Baiji Quan? Just would like to know. I am learning Baji Quan in Vancouver Canada.

Non stop around 60 for open palm but only about 20+ for fist.

My home is in China and I am proud to be Chinese, but I also look towards Okinawa, Thailand and Brazil. I started out as a Korean (TKD), however it wasn't effective enough for me but it did gave me a strong martial art base. Although I no longer do TKD, but I am still proud that I once did this great art.

"Centre gate elbow" ? Are you talking about 內門頂肘.... Bajin is surely very powerful in the application of body slam & elbow usage. But always has a hard time before get into its fighting range if fight with MT. You need to encounter the low kick of MT first. I have some friend practising Bajin and of course some is inspired by Virtual Fighter Actually I was talking about 頂心肘. I know 外門頂肘 but have never really heard of 內門頂肘 but it could be the other name for center gate elbow. Yes you are VERY right, range is ALWAYS my problem, Baji Quan is only good is close range, it does have some long range moves but they are all crapy. I myself learned a lot of Muay Thai low kicks from a friend of mine and I actually use them a lot during sparring. Tell you the truth, I too went to learn Baji Quan because of Virtua Fighter and one thing for sure is that if it's not for Virtua Fight, there will be way lesser people still know about Baji Quan today, some people will say that Baji Quan was actually made famous by Virtua fighter.

Yeah something like that but that's a bear step instead of a horse stance.

I will question it myself, I never really heard it before and never saw anyone who's really good at it.

Haha, the two master fight are so funny.

Sao Choy哨拳 I simply just worried you may have a chance to hurt your elbow when fighting with MT. This is particular when MT people get close to you with his hand putting near temple and elbow point at you. Your Sao Choy would be out of the most powerful point and the force would rest on you elbow joint. Pretty interesting stuff you got got there, I personally haven't yet fought any CLF or Muay Thai fighter, I was wondering what will happen if I pit Baji Quan's "Centre gate elbow" against "Sao Choy" or a Muay Thai kick? By the way I know Muay Thai kicks are extremely powerful that is why learn most of my low kicks from Muay Thai.

One thing not many people know is that Baji Quan is not as simple and as hard as they think. It's an half internal style, we do a lot of low stance to develop "jing", "bear Step, in which we walk slowly in a low crouch. At any one time our body weight should be almost totally on the leg in front, and our spines upright" and Tiger Arm, "where one punches with both hands stretched out. The trick is use your hip and shoulder instead of the arm power to strike while stepping forward. Both arms should remain relaxed and slightly bend at all times." There's not much extremely powerful and devastating punching techniques but rather we use our body parts like elbow, shoulder, back and backside to do most damge. "Two of the most important techniques, the 顶心肘 center gate elbow strike, and the 侧门顶肘 outer gate elbow strike In the initial stage, when the hand is still not conditioned, the elbow is our most effective weapon due to its natural hardness. Thus there is an emphasis on elbow strikes. However remember also that Baji means the 8 extremes, & one should develop all 8 parts of the body (head, shoulder, back, elbow, fist, palm, knee & feet) to their maximum. The 2 elbow techniques above are very simple and utilize the horse stance. Baji techniques are mostly accompanied by heavy stomping on the leg stepping forward as well as torso twisting. These are natural actions of issuing sinking + cross jing. " There's also a lot of throwing moves in Baji Quan like "Xiao Chan" and "Da Chan" or what people usually call as body trapping. "Body trapping is also featured in the Baji structural form, but it has more importance in the big form. As shown above it is performed by clasping the opponent's attacking hand, trapping it by swinging the back arm over it & then wrapping it around the opponent's back, efficiently immobilizing him. At the same time stick your lead leg close behind the opponent's lead leg to prevent him from kicking. From here one could strike with a palm thrust or take him down by twisting backwards, or preferably do both. Take note that you need to control the opponent's balance throughout, or risk being struck immediately in the face by the opponent's free hand. Trap before striking - this is the ideal counter attack in Baji."

I understand, I never really read those stories but you can check out some Baji Quan technics for fun. The author is a Baji Quan instructor I believe he did however admits that Muay Thai is a superior style compare to San Shou and other traditional Chinese martial arts, he pretty bias against Karate and TKD through.

http://crane.50megs.com/index.html This is a pretty good site, look under "TECHNICAL" By the way, do you have any good Hung Gar of Choy Lay Fut site?

Definitely, TKD is a great style but it is really hard today to find an instructor who doesn't focus on Oympic style sparring training, sadly TKD style is always pick on for this reason we got some Tang Soo Do guys picking on TKD because they think that TKD has turned it's back on the true meaning of Martial art.

Hi I would like to hear your views on this topic, which style do you think work best in long range and which in close range and which one of them is a better overall well rounded style, thanks. As far as I can tell, Baji Quan really sucks in long range but can be really deverstating in close range so I won't say it's a well rounded style, can you guys tell me more about other styles?

Is Hung Gar really a pure external form? I heard a lot that Hung Gar is one of the very few Chinese style that catually meet force with force.

Seriously if someone ever points a gun at you, just surrender unless he's within grabing range (which I don't believe anyone will point a gun this close to you).

Does anyone here know which martial art does Paul's death fist belongs to?

I never know that Shotokan has any circular techniques, so far what I heard is that it's very linear and hard. Goju Ryu on the other hand is both hard and soft and in some sense it's a much more complete style than Shotokan. If I am asked to choose a Karate style I would definitely go for Goju Ryu.

BJJ = techniques For Wrestling strength does matter a lot. A smaller guy trained in BJJ can defeat a lot bigger guy than he is but I don't really think a smaller wrestler can defeat a bigger wrestler in a one on one wrestling match...at least not as easy as BJJ would.

This I agree, I don't think BJJ is a purely sport art, someone whose able to defend himself in the ring definitely have the stuff to do it on the street besides UFC are not "grappler's only" like a traditional wrestling match, they are very much like a one on one street fight.

The match turned out some what I would like to call it a draw I lost the match but I achieved my goal. I did drop him once with a round house kick to the lower part of the leg but I would say the kick I use is more Muay Thai than TKD. In the end he did put a choke hold on me (on the ground) but I never tap out, I might have lost that one but at least he now does have some respect to TKD. Man I am really rusty in my TKD cause I keep making mistakes by trying to close our gap and fight close range (classic Baji Quan offense) and found out later that my side kicks are almost useless in those areas.

I bet we all have a different answer for this but to me it is Baji Quan.

I think he means those Greco-Roman wrestler, but these guys are not really suitable for a fighting game like Tekken neither are BJJ fighters.

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A lot of people nowdays not only bash TKD but all traditional martial arts. You can hear all those comments like TKD is crap... Karate not good for street or Kung Fu is simply useless. Mostly these people are mixed martial artist or BJJ fanboys becuase none of the traditional martial arts have proven itself in the ring.