YODA

Hi again Jim This is great - disagreeing with someone on a martial arts forum & then actually having an intelligent debate instead of throwing teddies out of prams - I love this forum Aikido CAN work - I am around Aikido people a lot, exchaging ideas etc, sparring etc. Some of my students are Dan Grade Aikidoka and even they agree that it takes at least 10 years before Aikido STARTS to become viable. The main problem lies i the raining method - compliance at all levels. If you enjoy it then great - go for it. Come along holds are more Ju-Jutsu if that's what you're looking for. They work very well after a good smack in the mouth If you wnat my advice on grappling - learn to clinch & takedown, learn to dominate position, then learn a handfull of chokes & submissions that work in multiple positions. If you find the right source you will find that grappling shares many of the same principles as good Wing Chun. Economy, control of centre, simplicity.

My website isn't too bad (shameful non-commercial plug) I'm especially proud of the fact that I've managed to make all 70+ info pages available from every other with no need for a back button or frames. You do need an up to date browser though. As Muay Thia seems to be your thing then this would be a good page to start with... http://www.cea.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ceaweb/thaidrills.htm

Yo Je Ja Welcome on board!

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Correct - the best place for ankle weights is back on the shelf in the shop.

Power in punches that use the Wing Chun structure do rely heavily on the forearms - it's all about wrist abduction - a key factor in the "end power" of Wing Chun punches. Hey Shaolin - help me out here bud

Yoo Hoooo ShiN - Howdy & welcome :brow:

Lots of people popping up it seems - HELLOOOOOO to all you newbies out there

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"The point is that this system was designed for a particular purpose: To defeat the enemy as fast as possible in a no-nonsense survival situation. That?s just what Wing Chun does from beginning to end and I think it does it the best" As for it's design In agree. As for the best then yes, it may well be the best - for you Some scenarios for you (and anyone else)..... you are at a family gathering and an old uncle who is diabetic goes hypoglycemic and starts getting aggressive. He starts throwing punches at people. How does your Wing Chun deal with this. Are you going to stick your fingers in his eyes or punch him hard enough to stop him? How about a small framed female school teacher who has to deal with an attempted physical assault by a 12 year old boy who is bigger & stronger than her. Would Wing Chun be any use to her? Can she kick him in the groin & stamp on his knees and still keep her job? A third one - you are a psychiatric nurse at a prison for the criminally insane. An inmate comes at you with a pair of scissors with the intent of sticking them through your chest. This is an oppoenent with a VERY resistant mindset. Kicking or punching him ANYWHERE will have no effect. He's been sprayed with CS gas, he's been beaten about the head & limbs with a baton, and he's still coming! What do you do? All 3 of these scenarios have happened to students of mine in the last 6 months! These are real people with real self protection needs - what do you teach them in Wing Chun to deal with these situations? Also I must add - I don't think Aikido holds the answers to these questions either. In fact in an environment where the threat level can change from minor to major in the blink of an eye I don't think any art has all the answers. A key step is finding an art that understands all the questions

I disagree PC. Choking someone out for not tapping from a choke is one thing - breaking someone's arm is a different matter and leaves all manner of holes for missuse by uncaring and downright evil people. "Oh, did you tap? I didn't hear you - sorry I broke your arm" - I can just hear it now. If one of my students broke another's arm because he wouldn't tap he'd be out the door pronto - and would not be welcome back. In fact, unless it wan an ignorant beginner who got injured they'd both be gone!

This is exactly the problem I have found with the WC people I have trained with. They only seem to have a very basic understanding of the fundemental principles that the system is based on. Like I've said before - I have every respect for the system but have not seen it performed as I believe it can be - apart from by JKD people.

A Big yoohoo to you Coolio.

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Tried it with free weight squats today - using 90kg. I managed 8, 8, 6, 5, 5, 4,4, 4 reps for the 8 sets. Afterwards I felt like throwing up. The rest of my leg workout was simply out of the question! I have a 60min hill run in the morning- doh!!!!

......... On the original post by AO ----- "I am amased that just because some people dont go and bust peoples heads or enter contests people assume they cant fight. In my experience I have found the ones to be quite humble and amicable people tend to be the most competant. " ---- There is a quote that says.... Strong men can always afford to be gentle. Only the weak are intent on "giving as good as they get." ...Elbert Hubbard

Intresting discussion.... Jigaro Kano Morehei Ueshiba Gichin Funakoshi Masutatsu Oyama Helio Gracie Bruce Lee .... All men who took the "Traditions" they where taught - and changed them.

Hi Jim I don't think ALL you classical Wing Chun stylists are lacking - I haven't met you all I've opened a few eyes (not just WC eyes) to the following..... - Any art that is predominantly based on a physical structure & range can & will be found lacking when that range or structure cannot be achieved or maintained. If it can then great - but as always- things have a nasty way of not going to plan when it hits the fan! - Any art can be improved upon by researching common ground between it & other systems. - There are guys out there that will take your best shots, look you in the eye, and keep coming. - There is no magic pill to martial arts skill. It takes work, hard work, years of hard work. I recommend you read the article entitled "Selling the dream" on my website - sums it up very well I feel. I will add at this point that I have been VERY impressed with very combative and efficient Wing Chun - but it has always been JKD people that I have experienced doing it, and yes, some of them have got that skill from Wing Chun people, Francis Fong comes to mind.

Hi again Jackets Buki Jutsu is a generic term for the study of Japanese weaponry.

ol' faithfull has got to be the *lead (right) hook. Other stuff I have every confidence in ('cos they've performed well under pressure) include... *Straight lead punch (vertical fist - full hip torque) *Low Thai kick *Lead shin kick to the groin * Lead (Right) stepping sidekick Headbutt done Kali styleeee (Dropping & pulling) Knee to the thigh Inner forearm bump Oblique kick (dum tek) Lead horizontal & rear diagonal elbows * I've ended fights with one shot using these. _________________ YODA 2nd Degree Black Belt : Doce Pares Eskrima Instructor : JKD Concepts http://www.jkdc.co.uk / http://www.docepares.co.uk [ This Message was edited by: YODA on 2002-03-08 22:11 ]

LOL! Don't worry, as those who know me will testify- my boat's well afloat!

Hey Sai - but what do ya do with the gloves? LOL! :lol: :lol:

KickChick just about summed it up. I find people like you a real inspiration to get to work on my own goals. Makes people who miss training for petty reasons look kinda dumb. Keep on keepin on.

I agree with the diff between Budo & Bujutsu (Bushido is a different animal) - the question was about Sogo Bujutsu, which is as I described _________________ YODA 2nd Degree Black Belt : Doce Pares Eskrima Instructor : JKD Concepts http://www.jkdc.co.uk / http://www.docepares.co.uk [ This Message was edited by: YODA on 2002-03-08 15:50 ]

I think bludhall just about captured it. I have trained with a number of Wing Chun people and have yet to be impressed. I've also "liberated" a few and opened a few eyes. Wing Chun IS a great art and it has answers to SOME of the questions - but by no means all of them.