three60roundhouse

So much for humility

Kimura was one of the greatest judokas in history, but I think his "signature move" was osoto gari...perhaps the shoulder lock was named the kimura out of tribute. Perhaps Kimura did make up the move. I am not sure.

Ok, so far this thread has given me a headache every time I look at it, but here I will try to say what I think as far as "aggressive" arts. I don't believe this word can be used to describe a total art. This is my opinion because I think of aggressiveness as more of a fighter's strategy than the strategy of every practitioner of an art. This is the opinion I have accumulated by studying both a striking art, tae kwon do, and a ground art, brazilian jiu-jitsu. In tae kwon do sparring, there are aggressive and non-aggressive fighters. Some fightres come out kicking and punching right away. Others see fit to block and counter or use superior footwork to evade and counter. One art, two different mentalities. In BJJ sparring, some fighters will go straight for the takedown, others prefer to simply defensively drag their opponents into their guard. Some are always going full out for the submissions (think Rickson Gracie), others sit it out and try to win on points. Do you see my point? As far as grappling being useless, one cannot just come out and say that. ZakariRu, would you like to back up your statement? I find that comment rather baseless and would like elaboration. As a teenage girl, 5'6, 125 pounds, I am a prime target for rape. However, through grappling I have developed a sound guard and I know that with more training I can become confident in resisting attackers.

Nice to know I'm not talking to a wall! _________________ High Red Belt Tae Kwon Do White Belt Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu 15 Years Old Girls kick @$$. [ This Message was edited by: three60roundhouse on 2002-07-21 20:05 ]

My hair is pretty short, but back when it was long I would war a tighter headband so it would be kind of glued to my head After that, I had it all one length (which took what seemed like AGES) and it was all in a high ponytail. Now I have hacked most of it off, and it generally stays out of my way.

In tae kwon do, I usually take one juniors class and one adult class per week. I have had to cut down a bit this summer. I work at my dojang Fridays from 3:30 to 7:15 and Saturdays from 10:00 to 1:15. I try to practice at home as much as I can, and occasionally there are weeks where I go to class every night. Since I'm under 17, it all depends on where my parents want to drive me. In BJJ, I take two classes a week because thet's all my school offers. I am going to begin taking more private lessons. I guess my average at the studio is 10 hours a week. In the summer they have a little kids camp, and I was helping out at that so that adds a lot more hours - 15 a week, 30 total if I help at the August camp as well.

As soon as I posted this I found this cool site. Here's a detailed and probably easier to follow description of the kimura. http://www.geocities.com/greg123455/gi_kimora_guard.html This move is also workable from the north-south position, but is extremely hard to explain.

Ok, I will try to explain the kimura from the guard position. You have your opponent in your closed guard, their hands are on the floor at your sides. In other words, they are based out low in your guard. You grab one of their wrists with the hand of yours on the same side of the wrist you've just grabbed. Sit up. The other hand wraps around the top of their arm and grabs your own wrist. Lay back down, moving your head out to the side of the arm being attacked. Pull their arm towards their head. The opponent should submit from the pressure on his shoulder.

have you ever trained in grappling? If so, what art? Because you have definitely been living under a martial arts rock.

I didn't get offended at all, sorry, I think you mistook my tone or something. I'm not mad, just extremely passionate. I take BJJ for free two times a week (interesting circumstances), and although I see what you are saying, it doesn't apply to me. I know I'm learning from qualified people. As far as making money off the Gracie name, I would have to say that is bound to happen in any art. TKD being my first art, I definitely see a lot of schools in my area becomoing McDojangs and watering down their curriculum and requirements. I am of the personal opinion that the way BJJ is taught in the United States is the closest to "remaining pure" that a total system has been. I know that the basics I've learned are the same ones Helio would have taught me.

Thanks a lot, guys...btw Kickchick, I'm around 5'6, but pretty small in frame, I have a lot of fatty areas Your suggestions have all been pretty cool, keep 'em coming!

Hey - thanks a lot...cool site! Nunchaku to me are just something fun to twirl around while procrastinating on something important

When this post-losing was going on, I had just sent in the longest reply I think I have ever typed Well, crap happens.

Master K? His real name is Kumron Vaitayano, and he is a Muay Thai trainer I am looking at taking a few classes with, just for fun and the experience )to dabble in Muay Thai, an intrest of mine that has recently been re-sparked. Anyway, back to the subject - any info on Master K might be nice. his site is http://www.elbowko.com

Ok, so it's summer and I am picking up the training, but I know I am not doing enough cardio work. I weigh around 130 and would like to lose around 10 pounds correctly, not like most people my age losing water by starving themselves I have planned a diet and hope to stick to it. All I need is a pickup on cardio...but here's the problem - I despise running! I can walk for a while, but I don't know if that is enough. Rolling in BJJ, i know, is a good activity to lose weight, but I don't have time to do enough of it! Please! I need suggestions that do not include running! hehe. I don't know why i hate it so much. I guess it makes me think of my basketball coaches making me run endless laps for being late?? Thank you SOOOOO much!

I am glad it went well! I remember back in the olden days when I started sparring! (It was actually like a little under three years ago, but I'm only 15....) You will no doubt FEEL improvement within your next few bouts. What I used to do and still do to this day is, when in class we learn a new combo or technique, I try to use that a few times in a sparring round. Too often fighters become fixed on using only their favorite or best techniques, and this is a bad habit I once fell into (I thought that after under a year I knew what I was truly good at ). I am truly rambling now! Much luck in the future! Remember, you fight not only with your hands and feet, but wqith your mind as well!

http://www.karateforums.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=3612&forum=2&6 That was recently posted, perhaps you and Dee could discuss strategies?

I never made a generalization. I was simply speaking about one of the fine grapplers who teaches me, who is a blue belt. He has owned his own TKD studio for many years and is one of the best martial arts instructors, without a doubt, in my area (I have seen many teach). In any art there are teachers who are definitely up to par. Even blackbelts can be the most technically perfect artist, but not have any teaching skills whatsoever. I, personally, at such an early stage in my BJJ training, would rather learn the basics and intermediate rules as well as I have been than learn all the most intricate and advanced technique from a person who doesn't have, what can i say, a "knack" for teaching. Again, you must realize that the words "most" and "many" imply generalizations. The general time in BJJ is 9 or 10 years as well, but BJ Penn got his in 4. It all depends on the practitioner, yes I realize that. Good luck on reaching your black belt Hum, to me, that sounds kind of like saying you only respect Gichin Funakoshi's decendants or Jigoro Kano's, or General Choi's, etc. etc. You get my point. Sambo, believe it or not, is the art that drew me into grappling. I had heard about the art from a friend and tried to locate a sambo school near me, but couldn't find one. After practicing BJJ for a while, I know I identify more with the style than I would have Sambo, but I would readily take on that art and am enthusiastic that anyone interested in grappling (especially their devastating leglocks) would benefit greatly from Sambo training.

It takes most BJJ practitioners around 2 years to get a blue belt. In many modern tkd and karate schools, you'd be more than halfway to black belt. Also, most BJJ purple belts know almost all the techniques they will ever know. Brown and black belt is just about being able to link technique and have it flow. One of my two main BJJ instructors is also my TKD instructor, 5th dan in TKD, blue belt in BJJ. Is he highly ranked? No. But I also know what a skilled teacher he is. We have had higher level instructors come in and teach a class or two, and I think I am learning well. BJJ is also the kind of art where the practitioners all meet at tournaments and share secrets. BJJ'ers are a tight knit bunch who love their sport and want others to as well.

Rebuild them, not as high. We don't want them to remain targets as the tallest buildings in NYC, etc, etc.

People in our school would only qualify as a black belt before first dan if they were under 16, that would geet them a red and black poom belt.

Thanks a ton K4j4. My guard is, I think, the strongest part of my blossoming game, and most of my practice time is spent in the guard, since I'm smaller and can use it to frustrate a larher opponent. The triangle, armbar, crosschoke, omoplate, these are all moves I practice regularly. I will try your kimura setup.

What exactly does your term "aggressive fighting" mean, Tiger?

We have Preeschool, ages 2/3-5 Kindergarten-5th, Primary School, ages 5-11 6th 6th-8th, Middle School, ages 12-14 9th-12th, High School, ages 15-18 my town, however, is a little odd!

What happens if you fell to the ground and your opponent climbed on top of you if you were fighting, EOTT? Or if your opponent was a judoka and he went for the throw immediately? Or if your opponent ewanted to clinch your side? There is little you can do from there without knowledge of how to bring them to the ground.