SBN Doug

Welcome.

Welcome. Glad to hear you're able to get back to training.

First time I started was 17, but had to quit after a couple months because of a shady instructor. Started for real at around 25.

I going to bring this back to the front, as we have a lot of new members since it was last posted to.

I'm actually going to close this one, move it to General, and give you a link to the thread that's been listing this for some time. If you haven't added to the other one yet, feel free. http://www.karateforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=973&highlight=style

The problem starting with sword is that you really need to get a lot of basics down before you ever hold a live blade in your hand. You should be starting with a wooden one, to practice cutting angles and develop strength. Next, get a "practice" sword, which is usually made of aluminum, to practice your movements and kata (if you have any to practice). This is where you develop proper handling of the weapon to keep from slicing youself open. Only after you can make that sword "sing" on every movement should you have a live blade in your hand and attempt to cut through something. I've been practicing KSW for ten years, and still have not starting cutting through bamboo and hay, etc., yet.

Lots of MMAists here. Welcome.

Welcome.

Welcome to KF.

KSW = Kuk Sool Won But we and Hapkido both have a lot more than just a few throws. We also have quite a few weapons, but you only learn a couple to start. Some TKD schools have those qualities. Aikido, Hwa Rang Do, even some Karates have that kind of diversity, but I'm not familiar with their exact names.

O.k., you're not convinced. By the look of it, if you can break three boards, being held by two guys, in mid air, no spacers, with a spin heel kick (or straight punch, or whatever), then you already have good speed and accuracy. Therefore, you may not benefit from training in this way. However, there are pleanty that do not posess these skills yet, and will benefit from it. Also, I don't think anyone is saying to ONLY train with breaking. It should only be used as a piece of your training, as working with a heavy bag and/or speed bag should be. Martial arts training is not a "one size fits all". You should train in the ways that help you improve, and don't train in the ways that give you, personally, no benefit.

We start with the 10" Hibbens. After that, we are encouraged to try all other manner of throwing knives and daggers. It is not a mandatory part of our curriculum, however.

Thanks guys. swooshfinn, just keep at it. That time will pass faster than you think.

This post was originally published as an article in a dedicated KarateForums.com Articles section, which is no longer online. After the section was closed, this article was most to the most appropriate forum in our community. Kuk Sool Won is a very interesting system. It is extremely comprehensive and can be adapted to be as passive or brutal as the practitioner requires. However, it is one of the lesser know martial arts, even though its organization has one of the single largest memberships of any in the world. In Hyuk Suh founded Kuk Sool Won in 1961 and he remains our Grandmaster (or Kuk Sa Nim) to this day. Kuk Sa Nim comes from a long line of martial artists in Korea, and studied mostly under the tutelage of his grandfather. His training continued until about the middle of the Korean conflict, when his grandfather was killed. Kuk Sa Nim was able to continue training thanks to the foresight of his grandfather. Letters had been written to other masters, requesting that they continue training Kuk Sa Nim in the event of his grandfather’s death. However, his training had to be conducted in secret, as the Japanese army would not allow any traditional Korean arts to be taught during their occupation of Korea. He also had to visit hundreds of Buddhist in search of training manuals that had been hidden away from the Japanese. He was able to learn his ki techniques from Hai Dong Seu Nim, an old Buddhist monk, and Kuk Sa Nim’s second most influential teacher. By the 1950s he was beginning to culminate what he felt were the most effective techniques from everything he had learned. It wasn’t until the mid ‘70s when he brought his martial art to the United States, opening his first U.S. school in New Orleans. He soon moved to San Francisco, where he opened the World Kuk Sool Association headquarters. In 1991, the headquarters were moved to Houston, TX, where it remains today. Kuk Sool Won has grown immensely over the years, primarily due to Kuk Sa Nim’s personal involvement with every one of the licensed schools within the organization. Every school owner, before receiving permission to open a school, must agree to teach the exact same material, in the same order, in the same way, as described by the system syllabus. Once a year, without fail, students in every school across the country, as well as various stops around the world, can count on a one-day visit from the Grand Master himself. There, even white belts get the opportunity to listen and learn from one of the most knowledgeable and caring martial artists in the world. We’ll start with hyung, or forms. While KSW is not heavy with hyung, the Grandmaster has included them in our training for the benefits he sees in them. They are excellent, when performed properly, for developing leg strength. It is also a good way to show newer students how different fighting techniques can be used in combination during a real fight. Also, as we get better, we use it as another way to practice breath control, which leads then to ki training. Each belt level must learn one new hyung, until we get to black belt where we may learn weapons hyung in addition to an open handed one. The weapons forms then show combinations of strikes and blocks with the weapon, combined with openhanded strikes and kicks. Techniques are probably the largest percentage of our learning and my personal favorite. For those that are familiar with Hapkido, these are all the grabbing techniques that you see. Each belt level usually needs to learn two sets of techniques to promote to the next belt. One set for a stripe on your existing belt and another for the next belt. There are over 220 techniques required for 1st degree black belt and, in most tests; you must be able to perform what is called, immediately, out of any of the 226 techniques. Along with the technique, we also learn the necessary skills to fall properly. After all, there’s no guarantee that you won’t be the one to get thrown. In that event, you want to make sure you minimize the damage done to you as you hit the ground. Each set has a focal point or pattern of defense. Some examples would be “defense against wrist grabs,” “defense against clothing grab from behind” and “defense against throws.” Each set teaches not only the basics of how to escape, but the principles of joint angles, pressure points and leverage that you will apply all throughout your training. Once you’ve reached 1st degree, you will learn additional techniques. Sometimes they will be a new focus, and sometimes they will be a more advanced version of an earlier set. There is approximately the same number of techniques to learn on your way to 2nd degree as there was for first. So, be prepared to demonstrate your “Patience and Perseverance” or the “two Ps” as we affectionately know them as you continue your training. As well as forms for training, and techniques for close quarter combat, KSW also teaches all the classic kicks and punches everyone always associates with the martial arts. Those familiar with Tae Kwon Do would recognize a number of their advanced kicks in our training program. However, the high, jumping, and flying kicks are all taught at a higher level in KSW than in TKD. This is extremely good news to me, as I needed a lot of confidence in myself before trying to throw this body up in the air. Body conditioning is also a focus of KSW and hundreds of repetitive kicks, punches and jumps a day do wonders for the body. I find that fewer and fewer martial arts teach traditional weapons as part of their standard practice. However, KSW has plenty of them. We start with a long staff, to learn the basics of handling a weapon. It also does wonders for forearm strength. A large percentage of what we learn from the long staff can be applied to the numerous other weapons that are yet to come. Double short sticks, sword, double short swords, spear, fans and archery are only a small example of the weapons taught in Kuk Sool Won. There are more that 24 different weapons taught. While some may say “you can’t carry a sword around the street with you,” I find a certain amount of satisfaction knowing that I am learning a skill that is not easily attainable in our time. The last “main” focus of Kuk Sool Won is our internal training and healing techniques. Acupressure and acupuncture are our main types of healing techniques. However, we don’t normally get to start that training until we reach masters level (5th degree). We do start internal, or ki training, from the very first day. Whether it is breathing exercises, meditation or any other means by which you can start to control your internal energy. Don’t get me wrong: we don’t train new students to sit in a corner all day thinking of the emptiness of space, and a single candle burning in the center - blah blah blah. However, we do try and end every class with 1 minute of meditation. Here we focus on controlling our breathing and mentally running through all our techniques in our mind in that one minute. Once we train our mind to be that fast, we go back through them again. Or perhaps we run through our forms, anything to focus on, while we control our breathing and expand the strength of our minds. As you can see, Kuk Sool Won is quite comprehensive. There is always something new to learn, and new challenges to overcome. However, it is a hard/soft style, which allows you to continue your involvement far into your older years. This is what has kept my interest in Kuk Sool Won strong for almost ten years now and will keep me interested and practicing for the rest of my life. You can find all this, and more, information on the World Kuk Sool Association web site at http://www.kuksoolwon.com.

Is it just me, or does the WC guy in the form not even look like he practices MAs, from a physical appearance standpoint. I mean, I'm no major workout guy. I don't have a six pack. However, just normal practice with staff, kicks, etc. has tightened up most of my muscles. He looks very "soft".

I don't feel it's exclusively toward women, but I do feel it still has a place.

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37 vs 5 Sorry, but no way! Kids should only be sparring kids, and adults only adults. If the instructor sparrs a kid, in order to teach skills, then o.k. But not student against student with that much age and size difference.

O.k., o.k., o.k. Everyone's had a chance to make their viewpoint know (and then some). I'm closing this down before any hard feeling start to develop (any more ) between you guys.

No problem.

In my opinion, it's a cinematic trick to exagerate the force being applied. If someone blocks a strike with a staff, and it bends a lot, it looks like the strike was really powerful. No, there are few weapons that are designed to be "floppy", and the sword is definately not one of them.

Here you go, ML. http://www.karateforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=1968 I'm closing this one, because the other one has plenty of info already.

Maybe you should edit the title, as to not promote any more than already occurs.

Perhaps this will help. http://www.karateforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=5867

Kuk Sool Won is quite similar in these aspects. We focus mainly on the locks and throws, but we still practice a good variety of kicks. Most of the high kicks are reserved for after we have the person in a lock, to eliminate the potential for a painful counter.