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Take a look at Rocky Marciano, he didn't use weights yet he could pound anybody, same as George Foreman, Ali, Charles Atlas, Woody Stroad, old time wrestlers, Gama, many people have become human wrecking balls from bodyweight exercies, so do some history before you start to shove your foot to far down your throat.

"all olympics lifts - cleans, lifts, squats, bench press" And yet you stated you didn't call them that? I have many more exercises you could never dream of doing more than 2 reps of, but I won't even bother with them, as I see you are to closed minded to change the weight plate crammed in your head.

bodyweight only for endurance? BODYWEIGHT ONLY FOR ENDURANCE!?!?!?!? http://www.mattfurey.com/one_arm_pushups_061504.html http://www.mattfurey.com/bench_press_061704.html http://www.mattfurey.com/one_legged_squats_061604.html and there's plenty more where these came from...

Ever wear an 80 pound weight vest and try doing those? Just as progressive as weights.

And can you explain how it is not an isolation movement? you support your body on a bench. I find that funny how you didn't identify atleast one actual olympic lift....

the bench press is not an olympic lift, it's a power lifting event. The only olympic lifts are the * * and clean and jerk I believe. I think you are getting confused here my friend. Isolation is for bodybuilders.

You can always appy tension to your muscles or go slower, add weight of some kinds, elevate your feet. Countless ways to increase the push up.

Seven Star you think 285 pound bench press is a good strength indicator? Why don't you try to do 20 one arm push ups, 20 handstand push ups, 20 pull ups, one arm pushups with someone sitting on your back, one legged squats, one arm handstand push ups, one arm pull ups, 100 pushups, 20 fingertip push ups, tiger bend handstand push ups, 500 hindu squats, 50 hindu push ups. I've known plenty of power lifters who got whooped in fighting, in competition, and on the street. Heaving a weight isn't the only way pal...

I don't think it should be weight train, it should be resistance training.

Also, the bench press doesn't give you full shoulder development, it doesn't strengthen muscles around it like a push up. So you are alot more likely to get injured because of the disproportion. If you are training to fight, then isolation is a big mistake, leave that to the bodybuilders.

Here is a clip from the Mike Mahler interview with Stephen Maxwell MM: What exercises would you recommend to increase muscular endurance? SM: Just about any exercise that involves whole body movements is useful. MM: Can you give me some examples? SM:: A pushup is a whole body exercise and a bench press is an isolation exercise. A chinup is a whole body exercise compared to a lat pulldown. Thus, I prefer using exercises that involve your bodyweight due to all of the stabilizing muscles that are involved. Moreover, you have to use all of your core muscles to stabilize your trunk and that is critical for grapplers.

I when people bring the bench press in to try to prove their strength... The bench press is good for bodybuilding, that's an isolation movement, ask almost any fighter and they will say it is useless. Endurance I think still reigns supreme. No one said you had to pick one or the other, you can be strong but if you don't have endurance to use it then what good is it? Why do you think almost every powerlifter who went to a fighting sport failed?

Yes, I agree. Most people in a fight get their adrenaline rush going and they come out full blast for about 5 or less seconds then their zapped and just throwing lots of slow hay makers, most all fights I see are like this. Usually the better conditioned guy wins unless the bigger guy can land a solid punch. It's that first adrenaline rush that zaps their enegry, like when spear hunting a jaguar.

I'm talking about a street fight. They were trading punches until one got to tired and hung off the other one who kept hitting until the guy went down.

I disagree totally. All the fights i've seen one of the guys gets tired and starts to lean on the other guy or can barely hold his arms up to block, let alone hit. The tired guy has always lost except for one time I saw. " Fatigue makes cowards of us all. "

The reason they go to the clinch or to the ground is when people get tired and they can't punch anymore so they grab the other person to get a rest and try to take them down.

What do you think is more important in a fight, brute force muscle ( like a power lifter ) or muscle endurance? I think muscle endurance is better, if you don't have energy to fight after a few seconds then you shouldn't be fighting.

What are some good martial arts magazines?

Does anyone know how any of these people trained? The endurance workouts and strength if you know please. Mas Oyama Bruce Lee Bill Wallace Mike Tyson Jack Dempsey Rocky Marciano Hirokazu Kanazawa Thanks

Yes, I have done some stunt work for films and would like to learn to do the high jumping kicks. I also have a friend who is a fight choreographer who hooked me up with a few jobs, and said I could get alot more if I could do these.

Does anyone know this style? Does it have any high jumping kicks, what are the philosophies and principles behind it?

Does anyone have a good site showing alot of TKD kicks?

I agree, you can teach someone every move and they still get stomped. I think you were either born to fight or not. I myself love to fight, a good scrap now and then, but if people just learn it for self defense... They usually aren't dedicated enough to use it effectively. Any martial art can be effective, it's just whether you make it or not.

By the way Kirby it's been a few months, how's the weight comming off?

Kirby, For losing weights, I don't think long running cardio is the best for it. I lost alot of weight just on hill sprints and bodyweight calistethics, I don't diet but I no longer eat candy after listening to Jack Lalanne. But, yes I do say hill sprints burn fat fast, I wasn't that fat to begin with but I lost about 20 pounds in a month and now I weigh around 145. If you can't run up them then try going a bit slower, but ideally you need to sprint up the hill, and I walk down then sprint again. And this type of training is better for combat sports such as boxing and kick boxing.