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A hard throw on a hard surface like pavement can do some major damage. Especially to a person who doesn't know how to fall, or a throw that will land them on their head or face. I've always prefered grappling to striking, so no matter what anyone says that will be the basis of my skill, but I still think striking is important.
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I'd say power is the worst, to start out with. Now don't get me wrong, you need power. But for instance a huge big football player takes a swing at you in a huge arcing circle. Now, because he has a huge wind up, lots of mass you know it's gonna hurt, but those are the easiest hits to defend from. They do the western movie style wind up while you can just step in with a fist or elbow or whatever to their face. I'd say speed is most important, especially for small guys, speed generates power so if you get enough speed you will develop power.
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how much you pay for training
sansoouser replied to P.A.L's topic in General Martial Arts Discussion
Yes, it's judo. It's a small town and the only judo place here, but we have three 7th dan's and a 5th and a 3rd. Not the mall strip kind, 1 is from japan, and the others learned judo in the army and then followed it up. They've earned their belts, the only problem is with 2 of them is that their old so they can't take many falls. But they are as smooth as butter. -
Well, I guess it comes down to this, and really you cannot argue with this. I will train the way I want to train and believe is right, and you will do what you think is right.
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I've never stated that isolation exercises are useful, but studies show that it can be harmful because it causes muscles to become stronger than ones around it. Life doesn't call for isolation, you need all of your muscles, and I cannot think of one time (outside the weight room) that you do isolated movements.
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Here is where I got my information from on the bench press http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/mahler29.htm The clip here is from Stephen Maxwell and Mike Mahler interview, Stephen is a grappling champion. MM: What exercises would you recommend to increase muscular endurance? SM: Just about any exercise that involves whole body movements is useful. MM: Can you give me some examples? SM:: A pushup is a whole body exercise and a bench press is an isolation exercise. A chinup is a whole body exercise compared to a lat pulldown. Thus, I prefer using exercises that involve your bodyweight due to all of the stabilizing muscles that are involved. Moreover, you have to use all of your core muscles to stabilize your trunk and that is critical for grapplers. MM: You don't think that exercises such as hammer strength machines and bicep curls are useful? SM: Well as Pavel Tsatsouline once said, "One of the worst things that ever happened to athletic training and strength training is bodybuilding." Weight machines have a place in a bodybuilding routine or for anyone that wants to put on some size and does not really care about functional strength. Plenty of bodybuilders have had success with machines. However, it is not a good way to go for combat athletes. A combat athlete has to determine what energy systems to use. What are the muscular moves that are used in the sport, and how to supplement grappling to enhance your abilities. In grappling, you use so many different kinds of strength such as static strength, power speed, strength endurance all at the same time. I have put together routines that address all of these important forms of strength and conditioning.
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http://www.judo.on.ca/articles/kano.html Here's a good article on principles of Judo and ways to handle stronger people.
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There was a McDojo down my street, TKD, and he told me he could tell me how much it would cost me for my black belt if I wanted to pay upfront..... YEA RIGHT!!!!
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I think a black belt should be able to beat everyone with a lower belt rank in the dojo. Otherwise what's the point of it? Just for memorizing katas? And rehearsed moves? There was a time when a black belt meant the guy wearing it was trouble in any back alley. http://www.loompanics.com/Articles/SportingLife.html that article has some good points
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how much you pay for training
sansoouser replied to P.A.L's topic in General Martial Arts Discussion
I pay 15 dollars a month for 2 classes a week, about an hour and a half -
I never said weight training was for bodybuilding. If you look back I've only stated over and over, that isolation is for bodybuilding.
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You brought up Power to the People, have you also read Na ked Warrior?
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Now, we have personal attacks? I think that shows how insecure you really are about yourself. It just states you are a shallow person with low self estem, and if you can regain some " dignity " by insulting people on the internet then go right ahead. He lifted 495 on the lift.
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5 minutes? Then I guess skill wasn't involved. Either you both were in shape, or you just stared and swung once every minute. I live in a bad neighbor hood and I see fights almost daily, and none last long, especially the ones with knives and guns.
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You told me you could never be good if you just used bodyweight, because the progression stops somewhere. So do us all a favor and stop contridicting yourself like some kind of kid who thinks he's #1
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Did you read what I wrote? "they simulate a real human better. They are not always proportionate and it's harder to lift." Hmmm, tell me is a metal weight that stays the same shape on the same bar the same as an unproportional bag of sand? See how much you can military press, then find a sand bag that weight and try it...
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Dlopez, i've take it you've never been in a fight. The average guy ( i'm assuming is you ) just starts swinging and holding his breath, 10 seconds later he's out of breath. Did you ever wonder why street fights last 10-30 seconds....?
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He did.... Dlopez, you stated you can train all your muscles seperate with weights so whats the difference? In fighting when do you use one muscle but not another? Nothing is done in isolation. The only weight training I use is sand bags, and that can go as high as you want it to. Isolation is for the bodybuilders. Sand bags I believe are the best weights to use, they simulate a real human better. They are not always proportionate and it's harder to lift.
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Your right cymry, that's what i've been saying all along. I guess these people just believe their technique will last long. As for you Seven, I know you cannot get as strong on bodyweight exercises, but you don't have to be the world's strongest man to win a fight. I've already listed bodyweight fighters that did well. Weights will give you more brute strength, but not as much endurace or stabalizing muscle work, but all I'm saying is you can become really strong off bodyweight exercises. Have you ever seen a 140 pound gymnast? They're ripped to the bone and extremely strong for their size. The 140 pound gymnast only used bodyweight exercises and in his freshmen year he lifted 495, he was also doing pull ups with ease with an added 75 pound bag, but he had to stop because the weight belt ripped.
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You can get weight belts, PP2 for push ups and dips, many ways to get more, even more than in the weight room. Seven, what do you think is a measure of strength?
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LOL Your not close minded, I'm just wrong? I saw that in a comic once... It made even less sence here.
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I my friend, am far from against weight training. If they stick to functional lifts like cleans and push press. Like you said train how you want.