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certain martial arts survived until today while the Phalanx-battle strategy didnt. and the greeks did have big victorys against each other and foreigners using this method, but somewhen it was old fashioned... so you try to prove that traditional martial arts are outdated? in fact, Muay Thai ranges back very long as well, was proven on the battle fields of ancient Thailand and helped it defend itself against their enemys. so what?

very wise words.

yeah, what Reklats was actually talking about probably was the long forgotten indonesian art of Nasi-Goreng but as to the thread... i agree with what you said, but lets assume "bad" is meant as "the style that does not appeal to you in any way" (except maybe as to being a martial art). what then? but i guess i agree with GChamp anyways because even if i dont like the art, the best teacher will be able to make it fun and get the best out of me and the art.

on what ozaru wrote: but YOU know this. doesnt this give a certain relieve? yes, thats too bad as to white tiger:

yes, indeed, you shouldnt go check the dojos/talk to instructors and just make up your mind on whether you want good self defense and moderate sport or bad SD but a better sport.

what size of a party are you talking about TJS? i think a gang war like street fight of 8-12 guys on both sides, the cardio vascular thing might matter, and such fights wont end soon. but its something different in a 5 on 1 fight i guess.

i dont get why somekind of competition is a must for an art to be a good system. to what are you refering to? too many schools? what schools in particular have no right to exist? i might have missunderstood your entry, though. did you say what you think of chinese arts or did you repeat what others say, like Drunken Monkey did?

that is not what SevenStar wanted to say. why do you think he put 'wrong' in '? of course a thai kick is not "wrong". its different, like you said. but if you perform a good thai-kick, it aint a good karate-kick, and in a belt testing it would be indeed considered 'wrong', no matter how hard it is.

i guess not - if his ultimate goal is to fight, well, then maybe. and what if by coincidence the ultimate grappler and kicker meet up and fight? dont think so. but he should know that he might get his butt kicked if he ever needed to. being too confident in the own kicks can screw someone up in a fight. yeah, maybe... maybe i only missunderstood. i to a certain extend agree, since it is good to be a very effective striker/kicker/grappler. but it sometimes might not be enough.

street fighting

Is San Shou the same as San Soo? these are all competition styles that focus one range of fighting. did you refer to "learn how to Fight" as to "step intp the ring and learn techniques that work there" or did you mean "be able to defend yourself against a variety of attacks"? i'm not saying that these styles dont work on street or something, just asking.

yes, good point indeed.

what kempo style are you talking about? i only know some shaolin kempo, which i consider a very good self defense system. but one of my favourite styles is san soo! it seems to be exactly what you are looking for. san soo is (though very effective) very brutal; which might not be what some people are looking for. anyways, there is no wrong choice between these two.

hey all! i didnt mean any offence with this topic, so let me explain: for some time now i have been thinking about this: if you want to learn how to fight well, can kung fu still be the way to go? i have a lot of respect for this art as well as other traditional styles. i even do one myself, but my goal still is to learn how to fight. i got somewhat surprised and confused alike when i recently heard about this legendary fight where a Muay Thai kickboxer won a fight against five kung fu grand masters. i didnt saw this fight or read about it, but some dudes at the dojo chatted about this. in how far is there still a place for these arts, that seem to loose against ring fighting arts all the time. we all know the TKD vs Muay Thai or Kung Fu vs Muay Thai storys and the victorys for the traditionalists were quite rare. to make a long story short: in how far is kung fu the art of choice when u want to learn how to fight? i dont want to hear this "kung fu is very important for internal development" or "kung fu has a complex philosophy that MT doesnt have" or something, since these aspects problably wont help you in a fight. i just cant believe that the only reason for taking kung fu classes instead of MT is the philosophy, but somehow i begin to think that it is... please prove me wrong p.s.: i dont talk about KF and MT in specific. they stand for their kinds of arts.

absolutely correct!!

nobody said that they dont work. drunken monkey only tried to point out that there are people that might think so.

actually i was refering to Comhrac Bas as well, but while posting, cymry posted again

never heard of it

that goes for many other arts as well i guess.

maybe it would have been better to think about this before buying a bag. but anyways: since i dont know much about kempo specific bag workouts, i suppose it cant be wrong to practices the techniques you remember on te bag.

thats correct to a certain extend (although me and my "clan" dont start gang wars ) and that is the reason why i favor Kung Fu San Soo. but i think i Muay Thai practicioner would have good chances in such a pair up. btw, yes i do think so

some of those in his area dont. why dont u name some of them that u think might fit the other things Munkyboy wanted as well and we all will be happy.

yeah, something like this

ok, cool. thanks!

yes, but i think they all make well fighters none the less. except maybe command sambo because i dont know anything about it. and to the environment thing... that would be the old "ring vs street" discussion and to what extend they are the same/different, which was not the purpose of this threat. i guess Kyokushin and Muay Thai are very suitable fighting arts, but lack grappling which i think u have to either cross train or go attend one of the above (Krav, San soo...) in first place. just my opinion though.