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Well I don't think SoulAssasin should feel quilty, the guy did pull a knife. Unless SA had been bullying him for a while, I don't know what the situation was, but if someone pulled a knife I'd do the same thing.

I don't think it makes your statement untrue, but I don't think you will be doing MMA when your an old man, do you? Paolung has a very good theory, very well thought out. I'd like to add an analogy. It's seems the jock mentality is at play here with a lot of Mixed Martial Artist. There is a difference between an Artist and a Craftsman, the Craftsman is more concerned with the how of the Art and the Artist is more concerned with the why of it.

SevenStar said, "That's the thing about joint manipulations - not all of them have the same effect as soon. someone with a flexible wrist is less susceptible than someone with an inflexible wrist - that applies to all joints. I've got pretty flexible shoulders and can usually endure an attempted ude garami/ kimura/americana, etc long enough to get away and counter before the person can tap me. same with leg locks. but not everyone is like that. My wrists are inflexible though, so I am susceptible to those - it will vary from person to person, it doesn't mean that the guy was doing them wrong." The pain of small joint manipulation is only a factor in how this stuff works. Your structure is still being effected, if done correctly. Its used to effect your balance by take the hand or wrist to your balance point so that at that moment when you try to regain your balance the takedown is possible, you are essentially weightless at that point, making to take down easy. Small joint manipulation should be applied with your whole body behind it not just with the arms.

TJS I'm saying it too, so that makes 2. You should post a poll to see at least how many people agree or disagree with you on this forum. It doesn't discount your statement, it just makes your statement a huge generalization based on a bias.

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JohnnyS if you look at what I said, we studied both. I currently don't study with Katas. There are some forms that we study, so that when we are not at the gym or the dojo I can do these forms in my living room or where ever. Doing things slow is also valuable. To answer AndrewGreen's comment, what do you call the Olympics, how much more traditional can you get than that? Just because it's a sport motivated art, doesn't mean it's not traditional. Most Sport Arts were Traditional Combat Arts that were customized for Sport to keep them alive, because there really was no practical use for them, because of guns or sometimes the country was conquered by another and they were forbidden to practice deadly arts.

If you know history, you would know that wrestling is one of the oldest Martial Arts around. Not all Traditional Arts train with so called traditional methods. When I studied TKD we had full contact fighting as part of our training. Form is very important if you want to master something, if you just want to clobber someone, you don't need Martial Arts.

That's great TJS Helio surpassed his teacher, that's what every teacher wants. The fact is Helio was taught something Traditional and improved on it. That goes to show that Traditional Styles are the key to improvement, the basis of all modern styles. Some Traditional Styles welcome change, some don't. Too bad for the one's that don't. Not all Modern Styles are good just because their Modern, and the same goes for Traditional. Why does everyone these days think that just because something is new, it's better. Not true in many cases. For example, things in the old days were built to last. Now everything is made with built in obsolescence so you have to buy a new one in a few years. This consumer culture is filtering it's way into every aspect of our lives, we want the new shiny one, not the old tattered one that's obviously going to outlive the new one. The quick fix is what Modern day people want, what's new and popular is better than, what going to last.

I just read on another post about Aikido, this guy said he studied MMA for many years and he got tired of the being injured all the time and he felt he was now ready to take on the challenge of learning to control an attacker, not just beat them up. Sounds like so called Traditional Styles are like going to school to get your PhD and Modern Styles is going to a trade school. I'm in for the long hall, I studied Lima Lama Kickboxing and Tae Kwon Do and now I study a "Traditional Style" Budo Taijutsu and I can say I'm learning more now, and I'm improving more now. So I guess now you heard it. I studied Drawing and Painting in college, I have a BFA in fine art, it took a long time to acquire my skills. I appreciate them more because I worked long and hard at them. In my studies it seemed like all the art from the past was just more impressive, more thought out. These artist were the best, because that's all they did 18 hours a day year round. They were in a time where they could do that, master their craft. The same goes for Martial Arts, Traditional Martial Arts. Most people today want everything fast, they want to see results over night. Drawing and Painting take a life time to be a master and so do true Martial Arts. Just because your fighting in the ring and you win a few matches doesn't make you a master. I doubt very much that when your 60 years old you'll still be fighting in the ring, but I'll still be mastering my so called Traditional Style and be better at it than I am now.

Good point JohnnyS.

Yeah, that might work too.

I don't think Traditional School are better than Modern Schools, but most Modern School came from a Traditional School. So putting down either one is ignorant.

If someone is too angry they lose their edge. If you can make someone really angry by hitting and retreating and not letting him get you, you may be able to tire him out. I've seen this done in boxing matches, many times. I'm a big guy and I think this would work on me if I lost my cool, but I'm working on that.

King of Fighters check this out, it might give an idea about Budo Taijutsu. https://www.taijutsu.com/bujinkan.htm Five years, it's possible to be at black belt level.

I'm sorry I must have misunderstood you. Please explain your point.

The areas covered in Budo Taijutsu are all based on the same basic principles. So from each school the learning curve is faster as you go along. They are not all different styles per say, they are a series of specialized techniques with the same principles. Your statement is better suited for MMA, not Budo Taijutsu, and just because you don't know what it is and you never heard of it, doesn't mean it's not effective. No one knew what BJJ was 50 years ago.

TJS asked"then what techniques were they unable to perform in a ring?" It makes sense that people who were in competition before went to try out their skills is UFC. So not a lot of reputable Combat Martial Artist joined up, because competing isn't important to them. So the only way you will find out what I and others are talking about is to study some Combat Style martial arts, and I take it you know what they are.

Do all of you really think that the only advantage of Combat Martials Arts is biting and eye gouging? There's a lot more than you can imagine.

That sucks for little people and women. I think being taught to be smart and how to find psychological weaknesses in you attacker is a good way to balance the scales if you smaller. You can make the big guy lose his cool, or make him chase you and get him tired, frustrate them. I think Schools should teach these type of techniques to their students as well as MA techniques.

I have to older brothers that are both 5 to 6 years older than me. They used to beat the crap out of me almost every day. I had to learn to survive, and being sneaky and dirty was what worked. When I got in fights at school with kids my age, I would reck them, there punches didn't phase me. I think my brothers trained me well.

I think size matters more in competition fighting, than in a streetfight. Ring fighting is a controlled environment and you can't exactly run around to evade the attack of a bigger fighter.

It was said by the announcers, that it was the longest anyone had kept Gracie on his feet. No point, just talking.

Where do you think the techniques that the Gracies use came from? The made their own system, but based on what? Pre-exististing Martial Arts such Jujitsu and Combat Judo, which were tested in the battle field. The sport martial came from Combat Martial Arts, but was customized for Sport.

He would have never got the arm, he would have been to hurt from being banged into the floor. He couldn't continue fighting after that fight he was exhausted. I don't know why it's relevant, but it's interesting. So you say size does matter, got it.

No, you can't carry a sword around, but when your an old man and can't move around as well. You can carry a cane, and you can used that to lever someone down and wack him with it. The battlefield was the testing ground for fighting techniques and those that didn't work died on the battlefield. These techniques worked in the battlefield and consequently were passed down, they can work on the street as well. I feel better learning something I know works, if the crap hits the fan.