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Sounds like a good marketing tool, and smoke and mirrors to me. Showmanship is all it is.

Jerrylove said : "I think NHB fighers would tend to do well based on the devition / intensity of training, more than a belief that NHB randori is the best rraining option." So every effective fighter in history trained the way your suggesting? There is only one effective way of training? Also a one on one street fight can be short, but how do you know for sure? Don't underestimate someone on the street, you know that. I've been in enough street fights to know that I can handle myself in one, and I only truely became effective after training in Kung Fu San Soo years ago, and we don't full contact spar. I took Karate, Tae Kwon Do, Lima Lama, and we sparred full contact, but we never covered every scenario of a real fight. How can I full contact spar, if I kick to your groin, or I hammer blow to your nose, or choke you from behind and throw your head onto the pavement? Keep thinking what you want, but again over confidence is your weakness. And TJS believe it! The fact is you can't replicate a street fight, of course any martial artist that has good training will handle himself better than an AVERAGE JOE, but when I kick boxed I was never scared of my opponent, I didn't get an adrenaline dump, but a street fight that's a whole different ball of wax.

Sure in most Sport MA's you can full contact spar with proper gear and this will prepare you for competition. This won't prepare you for a real fight on the street, you can't replicate a real fight. The reason Combat Arts don't spar full contact is that all the students would be injured all the time. The techniques are taught to teach how to move effeciently, balanced, fluidly, to use the least amount of effort or strength. Since in a real fight there is no referree and no corner to throw the towel in. You need to conserve your energy in a real fight, you may need it. Also I want to point out that in a STREET FIGHT you don't know what your opponent knows, he may have a weapon, if his friend will jump in, and all the infinite factors of a real fight. Ko man said this: "Full contact is what you should train in as anything else is like playing tig." I'd love to train with someone full contact in Budo Taijutsu, but they won't be coming back to class. So should I train with a live blade too, and a real knife, should I really stab my training partner, come on, punching and kicking with proper gear is fine, but you don't see BJJ guys breaking each others bones in practice or no one would come back, they tap out it's safer that way. Even Military personnel train on simulators and they do extremely well on their first mission, so think about it a little.

Move off line from the first punch and the other nine won't matter. Jet Li is a great Martial Artist, very talent. I'm sure in a real fight his Kung Fu wouldn't look like that at all. The stuff he does on screen is for entertainment, it's not very practical, but it's beautiful to watch. I have a lot of friends who are asian actors and they study martial arts because that's what Hollywood wants from asian actors. They all study Wu Chu, or Wing Chun or Jeet Kune Do, because they look great on screen. Most of the Chinese Arts are very flowery and dance like, but in a real fight you won't see that. In Fist of Legend Jet Li is at a draw with the Old Japanese Karate guy, he doesn't beat him because his intent wasn't bad intent. All the other guys had bad intent, and Jet was able to defeat them. Classic Good beats Evil. If you want to see some good Karate watch THE STREET FIGHTER with Sonny Chiba, there's a movie in this series I don't know which one, but Sonny Chiba fights this little, chubby, Karate Master, and this guy is AWESOME. Susposedly the guy is a real Master in Japan, Sonny Chiba gets his ass kicked and Sonny is the star. So the main character does lose in this case.

Spoken like a true warrior Larryjf.

That's funny stuff.

If Bruce would have lived longer, all these question could be answered, it would have been great to see an old Sifu Bruce Lee taking interviews and answering question.

My best advice is use your skills in a way that spectators won't be aware you are a Martial Artist. This especially important to your attacker, act like you don't know anything, don't show fear or any emotion. In a fight try to get in back of your attacker, they are easier to control, from the back. Try to position yourself so that all the attackers are in front of you, you have to control the whole fight, make sure people don't get you from behind. Of course in reality, you don't know what's going to happen, or even when, but always be aware of your surroundings. You should know when you walk into a room who the trouble makers are. I study Togakure Ryu Ninpo Taijutsu, and they teach you to do more than fight, they teach to survive. Sounds cheesy, but it's true. Never let someone get a cheap shot in, keep them at a distance even if they are just talking crap.

If you use this principle at the start of any strike, it takes practice, but it will send your opponent of balance as well hurting like a mother.

Yeah, well the principle behind it is interesting and useful.

Togakore Ryu Ninpo Taijutsu, the most complete martial art out there. 9 schools of fighting in one, covers every possible scenario.

The smarter fighter will win.

Cool, good comments.

Togakure Ryu Ninpo Taijutsu Ground fighting: 2 trapping, throws, takedowns: 2 fighting (full contact): 2 Punshing: 2 kicking: 2 weapons: 2

I would think the most obvious Aikido counter to a Boxer jabbing would be keeping a safe distance and to wait for the Boxer to throw a committed attack. Aikido is all about distance and timing, and waiting for a committed attack.

That's to bad about the belt thing, but what's really important is if your teacher is really teaching sound techniques and you're learning a lot. Don't worry too much about the belt, if you feel your teacher is good, then talk to him, he may need someone like you to bring this kind of thing to his attention. If that doesn't work, than go to another school. I know how you feel, I've been through the same thing, it stinks. But like any good student, study hard outside of class, and in the end, belt or not, you will have the better training. Sometimes belts stifle your training because you feel you've reach a certain level. I've heard of teachers passing students up to black because they didn't want them to learn, because of their bad attitude. So maybe it's a good thing, or maybe not.

Wing Chun, this is not my thread, but I'd like to comment on some of the things you said. Sure a trained fighter that can kick will have an advantage with a boxer, but in a street fight you don't know the guy is a boxer. If your in range at the beginning of the fight and are too close, a trained boxer will get in and destroy. A Boxer is nothing to take lightly, they are dangerous, and boxing is much, much better than nothing. Let me ask you have ever stepped into the ring with a experienced Boxer? By your comments, I could guess that the answer is No. It's not just being able to hit hard, they are great at slipping punches, countering and the jab is mostly for range, but some fighters can knock people out with jabs. Have you ever seen an early Mike Tyson fight?, I've never seen any Martial Artist hit with that kind of power and accuracy, ever.

Tai Chi masters get better with age, Aikido masters get getter with age, Budy Taijutsu masters get better with age, Shaolin Masters get better with age, you don't have to be a gladiator type to be effective with this type of Martial Arts it just takes many, many years of study to refine the craft. With age they discover ways of being more effective with less physical force. Other Martial Arts age out, because they are base more on Sport and Athleticism. Don't get me wrong Sport Arts are incredible, and beautiful, but you don't see a 75 year old man doing spinning back hook kicks, 5 feet in to air. Sport Arts are rigorous and take lots of physical stamina, and the older you get the harder it gets to continue that type of activity. TJS said: Sorry but not against a younger, stronger, opponent with equal skill, just not going to happen. I state again there are very few exceptions to this, but there are some.

Neil, what are you talking about? Are you saying an untrained fighter has a better chance in a street fight than a Boxer? Boxers go on autopilot and we murder you if you don't know what your doing? Come on.

I agree, I never quit training either. But still looking for a treatment, it's annoying having an injury.

Go with one Ninjutsu it covers everything, it's the most complete system of fighting, especially true if you want to study weapons. Finding a reputable school is the hard part. If your going into it MA to compete I'd recommend Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Budo Taijutsu, and Muy Thai Kickboxing.

When you see Bruce Lee demonstrated the ONE INCH PUNCH in those old videos, he was not giving it his all, he wanted it to be kind of a mystery to people. Bruce Lee was no doubt a brilliant MA, but he was also a Martial Artist who knew how to market himself. The one inch punch can be delivered with much more force than what he showed people.

Hyper extended right elbow and sprained left wrist, from hitting a heavy bag too hard years ago. They both still bother me, anyone know of any treatments?

TJS said : "intresting...i know several guys that are 60+ and can still beat the crap out of most people " I said there were EXCEPTIONS, but very few, I think that's fair to say.

I think your Sifu should be the one to take the credit for that, there are some Kenpo Schools that are dubious, just like many other school. Seems like your studying at a good school. I agree with the comment about opening ones mind, seems like an easy thing to do, but it's difficult for some. I'd encourage you to check out a reputable Budo Taijutsu School you might find it interesting and useful, especially if you like weapons.