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Well Musashi Miyamoto who is considered the best Japenese swordsman that ever lived lost against a master of the Bo Staff. So it depends I guess on the fighter.

I just wanted to clearify something that comes up now and then. Kung San Soo and San Shou are different Martial Arts all together. One is competitive the other is not. Here's a link for Kung Fu San Soo tell me what you think. This is the founder. http://www.kungfusansoo.com/ These are some clips. http://24.199.21.166/sansookungfu/Videos.html Enjoy

I Vitor Belfort is considered BJJ, but isn't he more of a MMA? He boxes and grapples right?

You're right Kirves, my bad. It's Budo Taijutsu that contains all the nine schools. Togakure Ryu Ninpo Taijutsu is one of the nine. Budo Taijutsu used to be Ninjutsu, but because of all the bad hype the Ninja craze in the eighties created Soke Hatsumi renamed it Budo Taijutsu. So Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu is correct as you stated. I do agree with you that the Ninpo aspect of Budo Taijutsu is less useful for Modern purposes, but still really interesting and fun. Thanks

You're right TJS some schools do get to caught up in the so called dangerous techniques. Constantly studying techniques with the proper training methods will give a person the ability to fight freely without thinking. The last thing you want to do is try to fit a technique into a real situation, whether it be in the ring or the street. The idea is to train to the point where your natural reactions work for you, not against you. I find that many schools teach techniques that are not tested enough to possibly see if they are doing them right or if they can be improved in some way. I also think the techniques that can be tested should be tested against untrained fighters as well as trained fighters of different schools. The techniques in the end should be forgotten and the fighter should be able to improvise after a certain level of mastery of the techniques. Most fights don't give you any time to think, so you just have to respond accordingly.

Fact is that MA's that train for the ring work in the ring. A ring fighter can fight there's no doubt about that, whether it is in the street or the ring. I think the problem is that there are MA's that are not designed for the ring and most of the people who have tried there hand at MMA competitions got destroyed. I don't think the style were to blame, it was the training of that MA that was at fault, and the fighter. If you notice the styles that do well in competitive fighting are MA's that have always competed, they just added grappling to there arsenal to make them more effective in these type of competitions. If it is a grappling and striking based fight, well the fighter with a good balance of the two will do well. If it is primarily a Kickboxing event, than the better Kickboxer will win etc. So in competitive fighting you know that your opponent is skilled in roughly the same style of fighting as you are, so you kinda know what to expect, whether it's MMA or Judo or Kickboxing. In the street you don't know who you're going against and the variables are infinite. So I would say a ring fighter would hold is own in a street fight, but that doesn't mean just because you train in the ring you are going to be unbeatable on the street. I think there are styles of MA's that are better suited for the street and it all comes down to the type of training your getting from your dojo. I think the more direct the fighting style the better you'll do in a real fight, that's why ring fighters will do well in the street as well. It all comes down to why you study Martial Arts. I study Budo Taijutsu because it's fun and effective, not because I want to go around getting into street fights.

What's not to like, it's fun a heck!

Well everyone has their legends, the Chinese tend to like all the mysticism. They make great stories, but your right it's hard to find the truth amongst so much myth.

Yeah, OK my bad. You make a good point. So your specifically referring to the Togakure ryu? If that's the case I agree that the taijutsu taught in the non ninja ryu are more fit for actual fighting. The misunderstanding was because of the Bujinkan is teaching us Togakure Ryu Ninpo Taijutsu which is the mixture of the 9 Ryu.

So Kirves are you saying that Togakure Ryu Ninpo Taijutsu is less effective because it teaches things that you feel are no longer useful? Sounds like opinion to me. Ninpo Taijutsu was battle tested and Ninjutsu in modern times gives one a greater edge than just bujutsu. It all depends on why you are studying this stuff. It is the most effective and elusive MA I've ever studied. I've studied TKD, Lima Lama, Kung Fu San Soo(A Brutal Style) and Budo Taijutsu which I find covers every possible scenario. Our training is based on Modern fightiing and how to counter them using Taijutsu. The human body has not changed, therefore the techniques effects the structure of the body the same way it did in antiquity. This stuff is effective and most of all very fun to learn. We have self defense based techniques as well as attack based techniques as well as submission techniques, it all depends on how you want to use this stuff. Ninjutsu if it's Togakure Ryu Ninpo Taijutsu is awesome, I recommend it to anyone who has the patience and dedication to learn one of the most complete fighting arts being taught today.

I heard a story of him challenging someone of the Budo Taijutsu school, he tried kicking this guy with his 70 mph kick. The guy walked into him and Wallace fell down. Lesson a kick can be snuffed no matter how fast, be careful.

Just take a MA that is more wholistic, that has striking and grappling. BJJ is primarily a grappling Art.

BJJ is popular, doesn't mean it is the end all answer to fighting. Yeah, it's effective in the ring, that is wear it has been displayed. I think that Judo is just as effective, and it truely depends on the fighter. The Style is secondary to the fighter.

Well white belt that is very sad. I have hurt myself more when I used to bodybuild than I ever did in MA.

from the ground up has the right idea, cheers.

I disagree and agree with your point of view nathanjusko. Aikido is a defensive art, not a deadly one. Their are certain MA's that teach techniques that are very dangerous. You can spend all the time in the world training TKD and Karate and if I am bigger and stronger than you, and I have equal skills I will beat you. Than their are MA's that teach you how to over come someone that is bigger and stronger using a weapon or using the person weight against them. If you are not familiar with these artforms and have not experienced beating a larger and stronger opponent, I am making mute point. Yes spending alot of training time is important, as long as you are training in a MA that is realist to real situations and not based in fantasy, that speed and agility will conquer cunning and technique. Your intent is deadly, not the MA.

Thank you, you hit on the truth which history really lacks. I'm glad you brought that up, thanks. Much of history from around the world is myth and legend to self glorify the respective country or culture, truth has very little to do with history.

You're cool karate_woman.

Thanks for the insite, everyone.

Wow that's really cool. Thanks alot Kirves.

I was under the impression that was the origin of the style, to be drunk while training. I am kinda joking about where's the booze count me in stuff.

I don't people should diss BJJ and say Judo is better, but if someone won Gracie with Judo then that fighter is really good, old, young, or heavier, doesn't matter. But I don't see people running out and taking up Judo all of a sudden. BJJ is closer to Judo than it is to Jujitsu anyway so it was a good match.

I think a Hair Stylist would win, because no one wants bad hair when they're fighting.

Kirves can you give a clue to what it says. It's hard to understand something if you can't read it.

Kind of like what Sugar Ray Leonard used to do in his boxing matches? I get it now.