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I've never had a problem with windy. The ONLY time I had expedited shipping with fairtex was when I ordered some shorts for a fight I was about to have. I told them I had a fight coming up, so they rushed the order. Other than that, it has typically taken months. Weird how different people can have such a different experience with the same company.

if you want to use both, you have to train to use both. plain and simple. Make a conscious effort to use them both while shadowboxing, working the bag and sparring. remember to use punches to set up your kicks. This will make them more effective. in similar fashion with the hands, the jab will set up your power shot - the cross.

FWIW, windy is good, but they are pricey. You can get good quality from twins, ringside and fairtex also. The problem most people have with fairtex is that they suck when it comes to timliness. It takes them forever to ship stuff. I personally use ringside most of the time, but have some awesome kickshields and gloves by windy.

while mentioning the jab, mention it's uses, too. It's not just an offensive tool for setting up combinations. It's also used to gauge distance form an opponent. This is helpful in determining WHEN you can use your hook and cross and how much you need to step in with your jab. It's used defensively to keep opponents at bay.

That depends on where you train. As most BJJ schools are competititve, they teach things you can use in competition - and you can't strike in a bjj match. consequently, they won't teach them. Now, if you are learning the self defense aspects or train in an mma format, then yes, you are correct. Howver, bjj standup up grappling is lacking in comparison to judo, so it's a trade-off either way.

I don't think it's lineage so much so as training methods. You can come from an awesome lineage, but if the training methods are crap at your school, then you will still get owned. Lineage is not a good form of quality control.

wrestling style takedowns, yes. Ground grappling, yes. And the fact that they do have some takedowns and throws is irrelevant if you aren't training them regularly. This will vary from school to school and lineage to lineage. From what it evidenced, it was not developed independently of social taboos. Killing was par for the course. Challenges and such happened - those were the times they lived in. Fighting on the ground was frowned upon. Such were the times they lived in. I will readily admit that most styles have ground fighting - striking from the ground to enable them to get up, or to disable from the ground - but this is not the same as ground grappling.

I see what you're saying, but technically, judo is not traditional. It was created after the period where 'combat' were considered useless. Judo, while very combat effective is not a classical style, and is thus not traditional. Technically, shotokan isn't either, AFAIK. But, these days, we tend to group traditional / non-traditional styles by training methods, which would classify shotokan as traditional. I've heard that funakoshi was pretty good with throws. I'm guessing that back then they trained throws more in the way a judoka does. kata guruma (shoulder wheel) if one of my faves.

if a gedan barai was a good takedown defense, I would argue that the grapplers at that tourney were horrible. Most grapplers stick to grappling tournies be it judo or bjj. Some cross train and enter MMA. You will not find them at karate tournies. I've learned more useful stuff from my bjj, judo and thai boxing training than I ever did with most of my traditional stuff.

you miss my point. The guy doing the takedown was SUPPOSED to be a grappler. But he couldn't have been, from the technique they say was displayed. You can't effectively train against takedowns if you aren't training with someone who can even do a proper takedown. Consequently, the question has not been answered. No, but when it suddnely appears out of nowhere, yes it will be questioned, as has been constantly illustrated with the example of the existence of ground grappling in kung fu.

long fist is a generic term for pretty much all MA coming from northern china. When I was training CMA, it was a longfist style. Back in the day, most kung fu had few forms, however, today, most have MANY. In terms of shaolin longfist, even though there may be many forms, there are ten core forms that are of utmost importance. the others are sets that were preserved from other styles or were made up somewhere along the way.

in terms of training methods, yes, it is more brutal than most. Thai boxing as a whole is known for that super intense training. hung gar is not, for example. most styles where hard competition is involved have this rep - thai boxing, bjj, wrestling,mma etc. It's far more brutal on the trainee in terms of training, not necessarily in technique. no, but before heavy bags, they DID kick bananna trees. The bark of the bananna tree is a tad softer than other trees, so they could kick them without tearing up their shins.

prefesional rounds are 3 mins, amateur are 2. number of rounds is either 3 or 5. I think I stated gear in the rules, not sure. gloves, mouthpiece and headgear are required in amateur. everything else is optional. If the opponent wears shin guards, then by default you must wear them also. pro level, headgear is not worn.

western boxing footwork is very angular. There is a philosophical difference here, more than anything. As a boxer / thai boxer: 1. you always want your strongest weapon in the back 2. If I step into you in the manner that TMA do, I am bringing myself closer to you than I want to be, as this makes it easier for you to hit me. It also causes my weak hand to be in the rear, which effectively lessens the effectiveness of my power shot. From a TMA point of view, by stepping in, I may be able to set up for a throw or lock. exactly.

okay, I just had a chance to look at some of the site. I looked at the muay thai pics and some flags were raised. there is a pic of a guy doing a knee fromthe clinch - his form is completely wrong. I saw bad form on a roundhouse pic also. Of course, these two guys coulda just been beginners, so I can't tell much just from the pics. Actually, now that I've looked at it twice, EVERYONE in the clinch pic is doing the clinch wrong... I noticed that it says "beginning muay thai" - the next class is actually savate. If you are only wanting muay thai, then this may not be the place for you. All of those classes are taught by the same guy... dunno if I like that. and look at the list of styles that the assistant instructor has trained in... iki shin do? sanchin ryu? WTF are those? I know sanchin is a kata, but I have never heard of a style based on it. All in all, it may not be too bad. One more thing I don't like though, is that the class are only 1 hour long.

that is definitely NOT an mma type school - it's more of a jkd school. That said though, it may not be bad. Visit the school and ask plenty of questions.

From what I hear, anything involving wong kiew kit is questionable... I can't view those clips for some reason, but several grappler acquantances of mine mentioned that page a while back and shot the clips full of holes because the person he was defending against had horrible technique. I don't know any northern or southern mantis guys who have grappling inherently in their curriculum. Heck, they can't even trace shuai chiao throws, even though some people say they are in the system. They say there are 8 SC throws, but it's funny that nobody I know can name what they are...

I train thai boxing, judo and capoeira.

no, that fight ended with the back kick. The knee was a follow up, and there was no striking on the ground. The kick doubled him over and as he was falling, the knee sent him into the cage. sherdog lists the ender as the spinning back kick.

correct. the "artificial pump" is merely the increased blood flow through the veins. This is why the "pump" disappears after a few hours.

getting past the punch isn't that hard...

Mauro Lucero KOed Jose Luis Baltazar with a body shot. jc chavez TKOed Terry Thomas with body hooks.

yeah, chavez is famous for them. I think I posted that before somewhere on this forum. Also, if you want to count mma, loisseau won his match in ufc 53 from a KO by spinning back kick to the body.

For reasons elaborated on by ovine king in another thread (or was it this one?) the chinese were very against being on the ground. Consequently, they lack ground work. They do, however, have plenty of stand up grappling. with several years training in each, I can speak from both sides as well. agreed. it's more about the training methods than the person, but I would not say that one is better than the other. there is no superior style, only superior training methods. 1. you have only been training it 5 months, so you would have a hard time using it against one person, let alone several. 2. any time you are in a multi-person situation, chances of 'winning' are slim. 3. there was an article posted not too long ago about a thai boxer who chased THREE ARMED ASSAILANTS from his home. all three ended up in the hospital. 4. most people will never be in such a situation anyway. But this falls into a different topic that we debate about here...

Notice I said that only like four of them gave mt an honorable mention... that refers to quality. It's a very biased site.