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The problem there is that this is reality. He has a gun. He may not have it touching you, as many gun disarms require, nor may he even be within range for you to sidestep and grasp his arm. In such a situation, how will you fight back? If I only have two dollars in my wallet, is that worth the possiblity of one of us dying in a struggle? Now, I'm all for shutting down wrong doers - I've stopped guys from beating women, stopped a man from mugging a paper boy, etc. but you have to know WHEN to react in a certain way. Not only that, but IMO, you really have no 'duty' as a martial artist. that is nostalgic, as if we were living in feudal japan. Bushido is not our way. I stopped the crimes that I stopped because that's just my personality. I stop similar things at the club I bounce at all the time... That's just who I am. I'd be that way even without MA training. We can look at it another way as well, going back to judgement. Let's say you try to fight the guy who robs you at gunpoint, and you get shot and paralyzed. Now, how can you defend the woman getting beaten by a man? How can you stop a mugging? you can't even help yourself anymore... Sure, with great power comes great responsibility, but above all, you have to think.

they only retire from competition. One of my judo coaches is 79 and he still trains hard. He did not retire, he merely stopped competing. The philosophy of street fighting is the same. There is always someone better than you and eventually you may meet him. Not only that, but there may be someone less skilled than you, but whom wields a weapon and you might meet him. and yet it is the national sport of thailand. by using the dictionary definition you see where these components actually fit. Of course, you can make up classes for them to fit in, but what good is that? I work with three bouncers who trained wrestling only that will tell you otherwise. this, I agree with. there is no live application there. no, it doesn't. depends on the venue and promoter. Some will not give out info about their fighters. much of which is now invalidated. studying the ancient battlefield techniques of china and japan does little to help with battlefield tactics of today. Not only that, but the experiece of them is different. The arts we train and how we train them are not the same as they were back then. agreed.

Let's not forget that boxing and wrestling were taught to the greek military. Let's also remember that during basic, many army soldiers are taught bjj. These systems are just as "martial" as any other, if not moreso. using this definition, the the arts we call martial really are not. On the battlefields now, they are using guns, not broadswords, katanas and naginata. They are bombing eachother, sniping, etc. hand to hand is to be avoided. Consequently, what we train today really is not martial at all, by your definition. It once was, but is no longer. were. what constitues combative has changed over the years, as I stated above. all of the sport arts you mentioned do have those roots... actually, this is the dictionary definition: "to contend in battle or physical combat; especially : to strive to overcome a person by blows or weapons " Now, here are the definitions for martial: 1 : of, relating to, or suited for war or a warrior 2 : relating to an army or to military life Given these two, our "martial" arts really aren't martial. learning thai boxing, wrestling, etc. does equip you to do these things. On the same token, you will not be successful in the ring without these things. which, as I stated above, means none of the arts we train are martial... the definition of warfare does not indicate self preservation, nor does the term martial. they indicate war. The notion to keep yourself alive is instinctive - as you said, fight or flight. you either stay alive by running or by fighting. no. boxing, muay thai, wrestling, bjj, judo - they don't have sport anywhere in them, nor do the names imply them. They are called sport because they have a competitive venue for them and they are largely trained for such. Also, these styles tend to ignore the philosophical in favor of the actual; that is what defines them as sport. It's theory vs application, no different than the real world. a person with a two year degree and hands on experience is more likely to get a job than the person with the four year degree and no experience. Why? Even though the four year guy has more knowledge, it's theoretical - he has not applied it in the real world. traditional guys train for possibility. sport guys train for inevitability. the trad guy trains for the day that MIGHT come where he MIGHT get attacked. Many people never see this day. The sport guy trains for his next competition, which he will definitely have. how is this different from a sport style?

Actually, no, it wouldn't. That's not what he's speaking of. he's speaking of anaerobic and aerobic conditioning. Iron palm, iron shirt, golden bell, three star drills, etc. aren't much good in the ring if you don't have the conditioning to fight through all of the rounds. This is conditioning that most traditional schools don't do.

use your forms. take a technique from a form they know and have students drill applications from it. for example, you are in a kung fu school... are you familiar with the technique "shoot the bow"? One application of it is a throw - it's a fireman's carry. you can have one student throw a punch, then have the other student apply "shoot the bow". This gives them a chance to work their timing, and at the same time teaches them to fight using their forms. you can also have them glove up and work a single technique. One person jabs, the other parries and immediately jabs back, for example. then there is always the idea of slow sparring.

Actually, yes. For various reasons. With such a high level of competition out there, it's not hard to find good, hardcore competition schools. At the same time, if you're not into that, it's also not hard to find where the hobbyist schools are.

Bigger than UFC? nah... Let's not forget that espn 2 shows a lot of MA stuff that you won't see on other channels.

congrats, keep it up! while your shin is healing, look into an anime called "hajime no ippo" - I bet you'd like it.

not if yohu use it properly. Like any other technique, it has it's place.

this is one of the many knees present in muay thai. It's called a slap knee.

you train in a southern style. southerners had to deal with softer ground, so they had to ensure proper footing. High kicks were out of the question for them. The ground is harder in the north, giving them the freedom to use higher kicks. These higher, flashier kicks are seen a lot in competitive wushu.

Nah. The media LOVES tkd - that's part of the reason why it's the fastest growing art. the general public loves tkd as well. Its the MA community that tends to frown on it.

I've addressed this before, but will address it again here. most kung fu styles, AS A WHOLE, do NOT condition like the like of kyokushin, muay thai, bjj, wrestling, etc. Now, that is not to say that some schools of a particular style do not do so. But the fact that a handful of mantis schools (for example) are known for tough conditioning, that doesn't make the style as a whole known for it. kyokushin and thai boxing are KNOWN for their conditioning because 98% of all of their schools condition in this manner. with the exception of choy lay fut and shuai chiao, you probably won't find a lot of schools who can say that.

sure you should, but also take into conisderation that he will most likely NOT be attacked while naked. he will likely be out in public. Heck, if he's like me, then even when he's at home, he's fully clothed and has shoes on. Anyway, as for the topic, they don't necessarily HAVE to be steel toe. Just get some boots. At my second job (bouncer) I wear some polo boots that have a hard sole - good for stomping, and the toe is hard, albeiet not steel. They are fashionable enough that I can wear them with anything, however, I don't normally wear shorts, so I'm not faced with that issue. I haven't noticed any slow down in my technique speed while wearing them. By law, we're not supposed to strike anyway though, and kicks are easy to see, so I am more likely to knee than kick in the event that I MUST strike.

crab and scorpion, yes. Spider? nah.

they CAN be applied, but many of the techniques can NOT be directly applied. This is obviously because of the different dimensions involved between standing and being on the ground. The techniques need to be modified in order for them to work, as that's not what they were intended for. Fighting on the ground goes against CMA mentality. ground grappling in mantis is not from mantis. There may be some schools who have integrated it today (which is great), but it is not indigenous to mantis. This goes against their mentality as well. I know several that will dispute it's original existence in WC as well. It was incorporated later. the fact that a few schools do it does not make it a part of the system. It just means that those few schools took the time to look into applying their art to the ground... Notice you said ground fighting, however. This would imply striking and is different from grappling on the ground. this topic is about ground grappling in kung fu... you have just stated the very purpose for using bjj on the street. You have also stated what we have been saying - most kung fu ground work is striking based. ALL kung fu styles likely have that in some form. That, however, is not ground grappling. Ground grappling in the street is NOT for making people "tap out". I'm sure you realize that it takes much more time to tap someone out than it does to break his limb, choke him out, etc. Why? pressure. If we are in a competition, I will apply pressure slowly and with control, so you have a chance to tap before I hurt you. In the street, this is not the case. At the club I bounce at, I have choke people out - takes about three to five seconds. In competition you don't actually want to choke the person, so you do it slower. EDIT: I just read ovine's post and noticed he explained the mentality I mentioned. He also mentioned the different dimensions between grappling standing and on the ground.

I already mentioned shuai chiao... there is no ground grappling in it.

that's actually a very important thing to consider. Not everyone who is a great fighter is a great teacher. And, not every who is a good teacher can fight well. This is why the term "master" is so ambiguous. master at what? you may be great at forms, but suck at fighting, or vice versa, yet were still called master because of their knowledge and for what they were good at...

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if you let them sit in the milk long enough, you can indeed drink them...

Be sure to let us know how it goes!

In the case of judo, yeah, I do. The reason I believe it will help hapkido is for a similar reason to that of bjj, judo and thai boxing - there will be contact, I would imagine. If it's point style, then no, I don't believe it will help much at all.

I hope they do another season - they need to show us the warior fuu is looking for.