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see my above post about what works for some may not work for others.

the buddies thing is WAY over used. I have been to the ground several times in bar fights - heck, I took someone down and restrained him with a kimura last saturday - and was never touched by anyone. And he had friends with him. There have been other times when there are no friends around. Also, we were on jagged concrete, not the smooth, wooden club floor, as we were outside. second, mma doesn't "often go to the ground" - it goes where the pratcitioner feels he can best handle the situation. If I feel I have a better chance while standing, I keep it standing. If I need to be on the ground, i take it there.

we knock cardio kickboxing, not kickboxing. we knock aeroboxing as well.

just being blatantly honest, no you won't get even half decent. you need a coach to correct your mistakes and train you properly. In addition, even though it appears to be "simpler" in nature, it is actually quite complex. the proper mechanics of the roundhouse alone will attest to that. then you factor in the rest of the techniques, ring strategies, counterfighting, etc. - all aspects of the art - it's not simple. I know this isn't what you wanna hear, but if you don't have access to a teacher, don't try to learn.

that was what started it. doing a strike with the speed you perform sanchin, you wouldn't kill anyone, so I likely assumed you meant speed and power.

yeah, to an extent. sanchin is more internal, IMO. As previously stated, tension training can only build so much strength.

ROFL

you just described almost every action movie ever made... In the first one, he kicked butt the whole tournament. He didn't start losing until the match with johnny, and the main thing there was that bobby kicked his knee.

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the thing about threads like this is they don't have much point... I have barfights literally 4 days a week (bouncer) but what works for me may not work for you. Heck, it may not even work for me the next time I try it. Likewise, what you guys use may not work for me.

we're talking about punching air at full speed and power. punching the air isn't making you stronger, because punching the air offers no resistance. Two of the three things I mentioned are done while punching the air, but are more endurance oriented than power. stance training itself is an endurance exercise if you are able to hold a stance for any more than 2-3 mins. after that, it's muscle building effect is done. I'm assuming that he is new to training with my above post concerning his gain since he started training.

capoeira is an afro-brazilian art. The slaves that created it in brazil were african. That is why the tie to african arts is relevant. because capoeira is an african art that was created in brazil. derrived it from judo... I suppose you can call three hundred years young. capoeira predates judo. actually, that has nothing to do with why jjj has a broader spectrum of techniques. bjj has less techniques because that is what they WANTED. jujutsu had strikes, locks, throws, etc. when kano created judo, he wanted something that people could free spar with, as jujutsu guys on average didn't spar from fear of killing an opponent. kano removed everything "lethal" and created judo. So that eliminated many jjj techniques. Then, bjj's creator found that judo worked for him, but that ground work was perfect for him and his strengths. Therefore, he eliminated a lot of the standup practice. That is why the spectrum of techniques is smaller.

true, head trauma is no good. but look at how many boxers actually have parkinson's - it's very few, in comarison to the number of boxers there are.

karate kid 3 sucked. However, the first one is one of my all time favorite movies. There are A LOT of martial arts related themes in it. Not only that, but they depict old school point fighting, where you could actually hit someone without getting warned for excessive contact all the time. There were kick catches, leg sweeps... it was a great movie.

creatine is legal - it's also something that is already produced by the body. creatine really does nothing more than allow the muscles to take in more water, resulting in fuller muscles - increased mass. it also reduces the buildup of lactic acid after a hard workout, as it makes you less dependent on glycolysis. What you are talking about is androstendione, not creatine.

Now consider this... do you REALLY think that the muscle came from hitting air, or was it the stance training, the repetition of technique, the calesthenics?

I know you weren't comparing humans to cars. it's just a bad example, IMO. That's like me saying when you get hit hard, it hurts. look at what happens to you when you are hit by a bus. Sure, getting hit hard can hurt, but comparing it to the feeling of getting hit by a bus is not a good example, especially if we are talking about humans hitting hard...

honor? I wouldn't think using a nutritional supplement would bring in lack of honor. something illegal like roids - sure, as they are expressly illegal. looking at it from your perspective, use of protein shakes, energy drinks, any supplement at all would bring someone's honor into question... As for side effects, studies have shown that creatine doesn't have any serious side effects. it's been known to cause gas and bloating, and even that is from overuse. Allegations of creatine causing cancer have been disproven.

I absolutely hate when people use cars as an example. Humans don't have such a degree of variation. slow moving semi, super fast sports car - sure. However, in humans, the variation in speed isn't that great. So yes, force does = MASS x acceleration, but a little guy doesn't always fulfill the mass side of the equation. This is why we have weight classes. that's for another discussion though...

This is is the type of cohesion between the MA's in Japan I was talking about that make JJJ a lot different, at least in application, than BJJ. You don't see this type of cohesion and mixing of traditional arts in Brazil, even with Vale Tudo. And don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not trying to de-value either Vale Tudo or BJJ, they are both excellent practical defense arts, and as you'll see in my styles, I'm a practitioner of BJJ and love it. I'm just trying to rout out where the differences in JJJ and BJJ come from, even though they are inherently the same art. It's a little like arguing the differences between ITF and WTF TKD. The application of each style evolved based on different objectives and cultures, while the actual techniques remain nearly identical. However you'd rarely see an ITF TKDer fighting exactly like a WTF TKDer. The distinction can be deciphered by looking at the history of each style just like with JJJ and BJJ. JJJ developed in a country with a strict MA tradition and lots of people who study many different styles. This MA tradition doesn't exist in Brazil, or if it does, it doesn't go back nearly as far in Brazilian history, and the styles aren't mixed with as much frequency and cohesion as in Japan. bjj won't fit into that cohesion because it is a stepchild. jjj based some of its apps around weapons techniques. If you look at capoeira and african stick and sword fighting, there are some direct correlations there. bjj was not used in conjunction with a weapons style. So you do see it in brazil, but not with bjj, as bjj was derived from something non-brazilian to begin with - a japanese sport. if you trace back capoeira though, you'll find that it's predecessors and roots predate japan by quite a bit, I'm sure. african wrestling and stick fighting has been around for several centuries.

and they may not have the physical strength. when I was around fifteen, I had an eleven year old friend who was a 2nd degree in tkd. I was only an orange belt in shotokan and his strikes couldn't phase me. If he could do nothing against a 15 year old, what would he do against a grown man if necessary? I think that is something else that should be evaluated when considering an age for a bb.

you mean the original green ranger - tommy? he was a tad older then he looked. Back then, he was about 19 or 20. He played a high school student on the show though. However, he's still too young to be a 6th degree bb, which is what he is now. In judo, you must be at least 16 (or was it 17) to get a bb. A lot of the jkd schools I've seen (and the one I went to) only accepted students around age 15 and up. at my thai boxing school, you must be at least 15. Those aren't style requirements though, they are school reqs. Judo is the only style I know of with a set age limit for a BB.

Now I need to go back and re-read... when did I say speed equals power? are you referring to the whole tension tangent we went off on? you're right. the arm not getting bigger does not equate to it not gaining in strength. However, true strength training does not have to involve mass gain, merely heavy and increasing resistance. with tension, you can only humanly increase so much... once you can no longer increase, it becomes an endurance exercise, not strength. okay, now it gets interesting. you hyperexteded during the sparring match.. was it a hard kick? was your opponent's punch a full power type punch? why did you guys have the extra extension and power on those techniques, but you somehow don't have them when you do kata?

and that's the thing. building muscle takes resistance. Hitting air offers none. it's physiologically not possible to build muscle in this way. Where kata helps in this aspect, I mentioned above; proper form helps you to explode into a technique - but this is not the same as having built muscle. this, we'll have to agree to disagree on. Not only have I done it, but I've seen it several times. If you have the full intent of hitting an object and the object moves out of the way, it's very possible to hyperextend the joint. I'm not saying it happens all day every day, but it does happen. However, let me ask you a question - have you heard people say not to kick with ankle weights on? why do you think this is so? snap + extra momentum + no target to stop the kick = hyper extended joint. The same is possible without a weight on the limb. here's some stuff I found around the web: "Your beginning routine sounds great. But Shadow boxing for "an hour" might be a little more than necessary. I hope you break it down to 1 or 2 minute "rounds" with a short break inbetween. Do 5 or 6 of those at the most for a while. Be careful and not punch air" too hard or you could hyperextend (stretch to injury) your shoulder or Elbow. " "There's trememdous violence in a full-power air-punch/strike. I remember someone threw their shoulder right out of its socket while doing a Sanchin Thrust during Van's Torture Chamber, Laird. I know of, and have been witness to, numerous elbow hyperentension injuries -- both in Uechi and in TKD -- caused by an identical fault in practice as well. " "I've seen a few shoulders come apart as well, including my own. Allen you use to kick box so you know how the elbow feels after 4 or 5 rounds. Missing full power shots over and over tends to lengthen the arm at the elbow. One thing that always seems to work for me was biceps curls. Biceps seem to do most of the stopping when you miss. It's almost like there is an imbalance between triceps and biceps. But you are bang on punching air full power is tough on the body." "I missed this post waiting for others to respond. sorry. Ever let into the bag and it wasn’t there? I should ask, rather, how many times you done that? LOL. The kickboxing thing was only for a few (5) months. I held back a lot, but sometimes let go with everything – and miss. That’s hyper… " "Cardio kickboxing starts with a few minutes of stretching, followed by 15 to 20 minutes of kicking and punching the air, then the bag. Park's students do not wear shoes and punch open-handed. "Each gym shoe will weigh about a pound when you start kicking. The weight will build up on your knee and could hyperextend it and that could give you knee problems. The floor is foam padded, so it's easy on your knees, ankles and hips,"" "Make sure not to punch so quickly that you hyperextend your elbows or shoulders." "On the full extension w/ the punch: If you're punching with all of your power and you fully extend, you might hyperextend your elbow, that is what you've got to watch out for."

that explosion is coming through proper form, no? THAT came from kata, no doubt. but explosion doesn't guarantee penetration. I have personally seen guys with great form, who when hitting a person or bag have no power at all. they can't penetrate. As stated earlier, most MA do SOMETHING else, be it makiwara, heavy bag or whatever to develop this penetration power. sure, I know that. That's not what I meant, however. He mentioned developing power by doing kata with tension. I could be misunderstanding him here, but I take that to mean dynamic tension, which is when you do the entire kata slowly and under as much tension as you can produce.