elbows_and_knees

From the context we are currently discussing - security, jailing, etc. you CANNOT strike back, unless the situation warrants. the assailant throwing wild swings doesn't necessarily warrant it. There have only been a few times where I have had to strike someone.

there are a lot of things you can do. One thing you can do is realize that you are in a fight and accept the fact that you WILL get hit. Once you are comfortable with that fact, as he is throwing punches, return some of your own. If you just wait for a break in his punches, you will get KOed first. Let it become a slug fest - trade punches with him. That gives you just as much of a chance as him of winning. another thing you can do, as has been mentioned, is use a front kick to the gut as he comes in. This will stop his forward momentum. or you can step back. shuffle backward a couple steps to get some distance on him. Then sidestep or use the front kick. another option (one that I use a lot) and has been said already, is to shoot. This wouldn't be a good option for you right now though, as you didn't know what a shot was. It's lowering your level under his punches and moving in on him for a takedown. in the best case scenario, you can take him down. Worst case, you are right up on him, too close for him to throw the flurry of punches. From here, use clinch work, elbows_and_knees, etc. either way, you are much better off than before.

MT by it's very nature isn't very mobile anyway, so yeah I can understand that. Most western MT is mobile because it uses boxing footwork.

Long story short, over the weekend A fight broke out at my club invloving over 20 people, not including the bouncers. It started as a fight between two people that I rushed to break up because I KNEW it was gonna get out of hand - there were large groups of people from opposing sides of the city and the ones fighting were each from one of the sides. I grabbed the guy who threw the first punch and put him in an RNC. As I was dragging him out, one of his buddied comes behind me and starts punching me in the back of the head. It didn't hurt, so I kept with the choke, till the guy was unconscious. One of the other bouncers handled the guy that was behind me. After that, all he11 broke loose. Everyone jumped in and all of the other bouncers (7 of us total) were trying to keep everything under control, dropping any aggressor we came in contact with. Finally, a group of cops rushed in and started helping us take people out, arresting several of them.

Good job. I wouldn't worry about using the word kill: 1. he threatened bodily harm to you. You defended yourself without having to touch him. So what if you had to use the work kill? you didn't actually do it... 2. considering that you had no clue whether or not he was armed and he told you he was about to assault you, anything you did should be considered self defense.

even prisoners have rights. And in this day and age, EVERYONE loves to sue somebody. There are levels of escalation though that kind of dictate what you can use and when. I may do an article or thread about it later.

try holds rather than locks, they are easier to apply and can make it easier to move your advesary around quickly. I use the rear naked choke and both the full and half nelson all the time, as well as some other holds. elbows_and_knees, you rang a bell for me, there was something else I was thinking about when I put up this joint lock post. I forgot about holds. I do feel I can probably apply then better than joint locks. What styles would I take to learn these? Thanks everyone, I kind of had this feeling about joint locks from my experiences, but wanted to hear about what more experienced people thought of it. wrestling, bjj and judo. most of them come from wrestling, as positioning and control is their forte.

Just Out of curiosity,Have you ever found a hold didn't work for you at a certain time in real life? What did you then do? Actually, no - But I only use a handful. I have noticed that come work better at other times than others, though. For example it's hard to apply a rear naked choke and get a person to walk forward - it's easier to pull them backward.

I completely agree.

try holds rather than locks, they are easier to apply and can make it easier to move your advesary around quickly. I use the rear naked choke and both the full and half nelson all the time, as well as some other holds.

I think that this definition is misleading. The medieval Europeans had martial systems as well. The western world has a serious misconception that advanced fighting systems came only from the far east. This is not true. I have been studying western martial history for some time now. In looking in some of the old manuals, one can see many similarities between judo or jujutsu and the "wrestling tricks" that masters-at-arms taught there soldiers. The Martial Arts of Renaissance Europe is a very informative study of these western martial practices. An excellent web site to check out is https://www.thearma.org. Check them out and have your eyes opened. yeah, definitely. boxing, wrestling, sword fighting, sword and stick, joint locking resembling jjj, archery, horseback riding, etc. This just isn't what the mainstream envisions when "martial arts" are mentioned. look into espada y daga, for example. Heck, look at kali. Notice the spanish names of many of the techniques? spaniards put their spin on kali when they invaded the philipines.

I guess that depends on what you mean by battle. I have barfights every night at work. I use only judo and bjj - sport skills. I had a knife pulled on myself and a coworker last night. still used bjj and judo.Ever thought of a different job? Tough way to make a buck. Been there, done that. I worked in one of the best clubs in Atlanta in the late 80's. Couldn't pay me enough to go through that again. Might as well paint a big target on my chest. I'm much happier teaching pretty rich women how to do stomach crunches. Respectfully, Sohan yeah, it's definitely a tough job. It always trips me out because patrons see women talking to me and are like "man, you have an easy job - I wish I had it" I just smile and say "no, you don't." All in all though I like it. I think it takes a certain type of person to be in that line of work though - it's not for everyone. I gotta say though, I make a lot of contacts that I never would've made had I not been working here. It definitely has its benefits. By day, I'm a web developer... go figure.

I guess that depends on what you mean by battle. I have barfights every night at work. I use only judo and bjj - sport skills. I had a knife pulled on myself and a coworker last night. still used bjj and judo.

The problem with "one hit KO" techniques is that you will likely NEVER pull them off. I mean, anything is possible, but 98% of the time it won't happen unless you completely blindside the guy so he never knew it was coming. just train to finish the fight effectively. you don't necessarily have to KO him, just do enough to him that you can get away. On my second job (bouncer) we are not allowed to strike, although we can get away with it if it's a life or death situation. Consequently, most all of my fights are "won" merely by restraining them long enough to get them out or throwing them to the ground, stunning them long enough to restrain them. On occasion, I use submissions I've learned in bjj to restrain them until someone can come and handcuff them - it all depends on the situation.

the problem with joint locks is that they are fairly difficult to apply against a resisting - particularly striking - opponent. it's too hard and risky to just pluck a limb otu of the air while it's flying at you. Now, from a clinching standpoint, they can work pretty well. I use locks like the kimura all the time while standing. But you have to have some amount of control of the opponent first.

yeah, technically that's true. after the tokugawa shogunate, all of that began to be shunned as there was no longer a need for warriors. BUT, the reason the arts of today are called tradtional stems from the fact that you guys are still wearing the gis, learning philosophy and hisory and using for the most part (when compared to modern arts) traditional style training methods. most of the modern styles today are completely devoid of these things, and they embrace newer training concepts. This delineation is what we have come to know today as traditional and modern... a lot of the older styles - at least the chinese ones - DID do forms, but they didn't have the insanely high number that they have today. Many styles only had one or two forms. As styles begin to die out without being passed on, people began collecting forms other styles and teaching them for preservation reasons.

it's expensive, but try a cornerman stand. It will allow you to hang a bag in the corner of your room. However, noise will still be a problem. Wavemater sucks.

No. Thats like saying jabs only work if someone reacts to them.... Theres no argument here, I'd have to explain entire systems of fighting to be able to get a clear point across on this subject. UseofForce is right. a feint will only work if you fall for it. If I feint a jab, but I do it half heartedly, you know it's a feint - you won't react. In order for the feint to work, you must believe the technique is coming. that is the fear he's talking about. your reaction to what you perceive to be my action. I'm not sure what you were getting at with your jab analogy. now, if you said feints only work if someone reacts to them...

from our point of view, that is incorrect. you are talking about two different styles and two different types of power - whip vs baseball bat. the whipping kick snaps. it's less powerful, but has sting to it. it's speed makes it hard to catch. Consequently, don't try to catch it - just cut kick the bejesus outta them when they roundhouse. catch or parry the front kick. the baseball bat crushes and drills. it goes through it's target, which makes it easier to catch, but a lot more punishing when it lands. you use a whip; we use a baseball bat. neither is incorrect. as stated above, they kick the way they are supposed to. they would rather crush than sting - crushing stands a better chance of ending the fight sooner.

that's assuming he could even get behind the guy.... and even then, there is too much assumption - what if the guy doesn't fall?

This hurts alot, even if you do it to yourself. The smaller amount you can pinch the more it hurts. Give it a go, hold a ball or something and then pinch yourself. You maybe able to hold it for a while but do it fast and hard. it hurts, but pain compliance is never the answer. in an adrenaline situation you can't always feel such things. you need to bring the guy down fast and hard, or restrain him. Exactly which techniques to use depends on the sutation.

that's not adrenaline...

that rep must be earned. people see wire acts in movies and point fighting in tournies and think tma is fake. Then, UFC pops up and TMA guys entered. They all got schooled, reinforcing the idea that TMA is ineffective. However, if some pure TMA guys started competing and winning, the opinion would change...

Why do you care? seriously. Would you feel better about training TMA if it had a better rep? As long as you are content, don't worry about what others think. As for mma, it hasn't done much for tma at all. it put muay thai and grappling in the lime light again, basically. Like I said, you're missing the point... it's not about a better style. It's all about superior training methods.

fighting linear is fine, if you are comfortable doing it and know how to do it. thai boxers are very linear. That said, you know he likes to front kick. When the kick comes, try one of two things: 1. slide backward slightly, getting you out of range of the kick, then immediately returning a kick of your own. 2. parry the kick, but redirect it down toward the ground, forcing him to put weight on it. Nail him in that leg once it touches the ground.