Kajukenbopr

even the famous "ground and pound" can take more than 1 minute to knock out an opponent, and it will take about 5 seconds before you have your attackers friends on you . you've seen how long UFC fighters take to do their moves(not always but generally)and they train to do them much faster than most people.

I've been training in Chi Kung for the past year- do you know how much I've meditated and thought about Chi? not even once, the way I was taught, you dont think about any kind of energy, you feel it and accept it. I study the teachings, I allow myself to get lost in the teachings, but I dont have to change my religion over the training.

when you reach "can your soul be ki? and if so, can God be your soul? then can God be ki?" This is where it creates the conflict between your religion and your training(ki). if you keep following what you just said, you will being to think as if you were God, since God is ki, and God is your soul and then you compare God to ki- you are suggesting that you can control God and that God is balanced and willed in you(by yourself) because of your training??? Trying to avoid this conclusions is why they say religion and taoist(or budhist)filosophy dont mix.

Tai chi along with all traditional martial arts are born from self defense. Tai chi in particular was used by budhist monks so they could stay fit while they meditated- the simplest movements in tai chi could also be used to defend the temples and travelers from thieves. 1. Staying in shape is part of self defense- without a healthy lifestyle, you are damaging yourself. 2. Protection from people who want to do harm-be that by healing your body or by using movements to best your attacker.

We are in a similar boat. I'm out of school, but work two jobs - I am a bouncer by night and a web developer by day. I still find time to train 5 - 6 days a week though and compete when I get a chance. since I like to compete, I know that I must make time to train for it. I hit the gym on my lunch breaks, train 4 days per week and work out and train with 2 private students I have 2 days per week. competition drives us to train harder; it's the nature of the beast. sadly I cant give that much time to my training. I have to make time for howmework, study, give time to my friends, girlfriend, family , church... Still, like you said, you train 4 times a week, already know u train 3-5 hours per practice; I dont train that much so, for now, I consider myself in a physical league below yours. Its not my style cant compete with yours(or vice versa), its me: my body isnt prepared to compete at that level. --whatever your style, I respect it fully. I'm not saying I'm better than you in any way-- I do say that physical preparation plays a major role in competitions like UFC. Thats what I mean when I say that a lot of styles can compete, but thay dont because most UFC fighters train in pretty much the same styles because they are easier to develop and train in- not necesarily because the style is superior to others.

Even if you're NOT holding on to your opponent and someone comes to his aid you're still going to be beaten by his friends. So, in the event that someone attempts to hold you for one of his friends to pound on you, you'd be happy if you knew how to grapple so that you'd know how to escape from his hold. Well, but I'd rather it be someone caught me off guard , held me and then I got beat, than getting beat because I was tryign to hold on to someone. Lol, if I'm outnumbered and cant wint I can always run ( as long as nothing is holding me back-be it a person or a wall )

You know most of those techniques work when you adapt the technique to the situation. I think most of those techniques fall useless because of how they are practiced and taught, without giving importance to how you execute them. I dont have delusions as to thinking all my techniques will work on EVERYONE. but all those techniques in my style HAVE been proved one way or another. If I cant make it work, I use another, if that wont work, I'll look for another- but I will use a technique that will work depending on the situation. If everything else fails, then I'll fight my heart off win or lose.

Today, we see who trains hardest. In the initial competitions, we saw which worked best when one wasn't prepared for the other. a grappler with no striking training vs a striker with no grappling training. The grapplers proved that it's easier than most people think it is to take a person down. Doesn't mean it's the best, but it opened the eyes of the general public to some things. Take us as an example: I know because u told me, you train like an athlete. I'm a normal college sutdent whi just happens to train whenever he has the chance. If we were to fight, you would have the advantage right off the bat just because you train like an athlete, I dont. If we trained exactly the same, we would both have the same chance of winning the fight. The nature of the style is very much responsible for this though. For instance, when I group my entire workout schedule together (lifting weights and training) most of my time is by far spent training. The reason why I have the endurance and strength I do is because I have to fight every night. The same is said for a boxer, a muay thai fighter, or a wrestler who trains often. The inherent nature of the martial art is going to produce tougher fighters because they have tougher workouts. Its not that we dont train hard, its the fact that their daily training and fighting is part of their every day work - not workout. So, while I have to go to college and study(and if I was at a part time job, work too). Their main obligation is working out because they HAVE to be in top shape for their fighting in the ring. That gives them a physical condition superior to those who just work out when we have time or at practices. --I'm not saying his style is worse than mine, far from it, I'm just saying that we have different training methods which puts us in different leagues: he has to give more than 3 hours of training everyday, and with my schedule I can give 6-8 hours a week. This doesnt mean the style in which I train in cant compete against his: his body is accustomed to more physical strain than mine by far--

Today, we see who trains hardest. In the initial competitions, we saw which worked best when one wasn't prepared for the other. a grappler with no striking training vs a striker with no grappling training. The grapplers proved that it's easier than most people think it is to take a person down. Doesn't mean it's the best, but it opened the eyes of the general public to some things. Take us as an example: I know because u told me, you train like an athlete. I'm a normal college sutdent whi just happens to train whenever he has the chance. If we were to fight, you would have the advantage right off the bat just because you train like an athlete, I dont. If we trained exactly the same, we would both have the same chance of winning the fight.

Also, I dont think holding on to a guy on the ground in a real-life fight would be the way to go. If someone comes to aid your attacker but you guys are holding on to the attacker and he's holding on to you, you will get beaten by his friends

I once saw this fight 3 against one where one of the guys was a black belt in judo(so he knew how to grapple. The guy who was fighting the other 3 kept them off of him and was able to fight them all. After the fight was done I was told that the guy who was fighting the other 3 had some background in Boxing and was now practising Kajukenbo. The grappler got fist on his face everytime he got close. so did his friends

In my opinion we didnt get to see which worked best, we got to see who trained the hardest. If the level of commitment to martial arts is limited to some, even if its a great style, you are going to lose to someone who trains 10 times harder than you

oh, by the way. The movements are BASED on animal movements, we are not doing animal movements per se. So, if anyone repeats the comment: it is not unnatural to do 5 animal kung fu(or karate) because its based on animals but focused on human potential. Boxing, although it does teach good fighting principles, forgets about the legs, looking for some better stability and better footwork. When it was created, they left out the legs to make it a more interesting sport. Also, can anyone say what full human potential really is? boxing is one way to see it, animal forms are another. but that is not all. gymnasts keep reminding us that we are capable of so much more and we stay content with our "average"(which is actually far below are capabilities), and not try to gain from what nature gave us.

well, I think they have molded themselves into thinking that their way of fighting is the best and its not necesarily so. For their fighting and competitions, keep fighting that way, its how they do it anyway.

hmmm, interesting points of view...

if I dont take my time to train my body I dont deserve it. If I dont take my time to train and learn my martial art, I dont deserve to be good at it. Thats how I look at it. But you guys train any way you like, and fits you best.

24fightingchickens Quote: 3. back leg is straightened in zenkutsu dachi -- if you get pushed back, or meet with something you cant push, you will want that leg behind you, giving you support and wont let you fall on your back. Quote: 6. lift back heel slightly when punching. puts your whole wheight into the punch.not just cause it looks cute - and but its also a great chance to use your weight agianst you so, be careful when its used. Quote: 9. crossing arms at midbody during blocks. if you dont cross your arms, you leave a space between blocks where you are unprotected. Quote: 11. long and low zenkutsu dachi. this gives you the stability on the legs, the lower the stance, the better control of the weight.

he would actually be limiting himself quite a bit. I can guarantee you that the groundwork he does do would be seriously deficient when compared to someone training a grappling intensive style. that's like telling a judoka not to cross train in a striking style because judo has strikes... have u ever fought a strong praying mantis practitioner? they mix stand up-fighting with strikes and its hard to avoid this combination while using your hands.Also, they DO train on groundfighting-(like in this guy's case). I think the weakest part of this style is not either striking nor grappling, but kicks. Besides, can you tell a JJJ that his style needs work? that a Japanese or Hawaiian KEnpo practitioner need groundfighting? they would say, they already have groundfighting. Even in schools with groundfighting(for self defense that I've seen) prefer the stand-up techniques and resort to groundfighting only as a last resort.

if you understand those movements as waste of effort, you do not comprehend how the movement is done. Most people who train to fight however, will overlook most of the movements you mentioned and go for shorter, more incomplete movements trying to find quicker reaction. this shortened version rends the movement useless or less effective. train like you should and all you will see all these movements are there for a reason;you will avoid being hurt and become a better martial artist.

in my school, we have 2 types too: the ones who hit you hard-who fight well And the ones that hit you so hard your sports cup breaks(and it's happened before)- both types can control movement and fight well Its all about training I guess

I wasnt making a critique at creatine, I dont question its effects. I was talking about big muscles and martial arts- Big bulging muscles are not all that necessary for a martial artist, thats all. In other words, I excercise fine, but I dont want to look like a body builder to think I achieved the top of my martial arts training. you have another point of view on it, and I respect that.

they do reach a high level of capacity and they reach higher goals of fighting cpability without super big muscles. Big muscles are not that important for a good fighter.It helps sometimes, but a lot of small people can be devastating opponents. Just look at the small Bruce Lee, even though he was perfectly fit, he didnt have enormous muscles that helped him out, but fit healthy muscles.

I enjoy a stand up fight better. Although I see how groundfighting can help a fight, I think most of those fighters use it as an excuse to rest.

I just fought a girl yesterday(at class), she put up a great fight.

what he needs is to train in kung fu like an athlete, if he doesnt, he will be lacking in physical endurance.