Kajukenbopr

i dont know about deadly, but it was taught to the emperors guards in china. it must be a decent style if it was to be entrusted as the emperor's protection

its funny because you are saying it like, "well, if it works it is JKD". what about saying: "I found something that works better for me"? you can say you used a concept of JKD, but not necesarily the style. and it is not exclusive of JKD either: krav maga, farang mu sul, kajukenbo, kenpo, and other styles have the same phylosophy: use what works and what suits you best.

care to elaborate? East Coast-wise I only know of schools in Ohio, Pittsburgh, and Augusta (GA)- there are more schools in the west coast areas. oh , I thought you meant kajukenbo didnt have certain skills we're still growing, not everyone can train for kajukenbo, you know? so, certain places will take longer to reach- not because of the place, but because of the lack of students that are willing to train in kajukenbo.

i dont really know how to "box" properly but if we had to fight I can promise you I will defend myself well, even if u are a great boxer, no offense. my training in martial arts(even though my school doesnt really go to tournaments) prepares me for real fights, be it our same way fo fighting or something we havent seen before, we adapt quickly. so, my conclusion from your post is you had a bad martial arts instructor and decided that martial arts were innefective. hopefully, one day you can experience something genuine and see what you have been missing.

care to elaborate?

i know that excercise done as the advanced version of that excercise. isometric when u learn it, and the one u describe when in a more advanced level

I love kajukenbo though its mostly for self defense. I also like Bagua Zhang, Xing Yi, and Da cheng Chuan(chinese styles)

HAHA. I would feel so friggin' weird fighitng naked -Ray i second that

difference in approaches then,instead of techniques, those change with the people and instructors of a place. but I think everyone has enough common sense to change how they punch or kick if its more comfortable and effective for them. if you cant use something, train with it as part of your curriculum, but you dont need to use it if you dont know how to apply it....specially not in a fight...

Shotokan is shotokan, different instructors teach different stuff, but it is still in the system. not everyone is capable of developing a style on their own... (for the Bruce LEe remark) suddenly eveyrone wants to train in 7 styles as if they were to develop this amazin styles out of thin air. I've seen people try to develop new styles without proper foundation just to develop themselves as fighters and followers with half-developed systems. The kicking thing would be a good example except- dont they teach you there are different ways to make impact with the same kick? of course, certain things will be preferred, but all aspects are(or should) be shared.Maybe you need to question your instructor if he wont teach you practical stuff(different apporoaches to different people) On the comment of phylosophy, some thigns go with you, some dont, but you dont need each and every one to say, huh, I'll stick to this part and that part and it will be perfect. OR are you saying you cant stick to a path you selected? Find a style you like, train with that, when you have mastered what you have, go learn something else that might help you with what you already have. you dont need to train in every art to be effective. and you can be pretty effective with one art.

To be more precise, the Okazaki Dojo was called the "Kodenkan". There Henry Okazaki taught both "Danzan Ryu Jujitsu" and "Kodokan Judo". Kajukenbo founder, "Joe Holck" received black belts in both of those arts from Sig Kufferath (Okazaki student). Kajukenbo founder, "Frank Ordanez" also trained with one of Okazaki's students, Sam Luke. thank you for the correction

To be more precise, the Okazaki Dojo was called the "Kodenkan". There Henry Okazaki taught both "Danzan Ryu Jujitsu" and "Kodokan Judo". Kajukenbo founder, "Joe Holck" received black belts in both of those arts from Sig Kufferath (Okazaki student). Kajukenbo founder, "Frank Ordanez" also trained with one of Okazaki's students, Sam Luke. thank you for the correction

look for one, I'm sure they could learn from u as well as you could learn from them

the 3 ranges are covered, just not on those terms you either train for them, or you dont, that depends on the person. most Kung Fu schools I've seen dont think much of the clinch because they dont see it very often, fights are fought from outside because if you get too close , it hurts too much. some cross train and add the clinch and groundfight(which WC has), but like I said, is rarely seen.

Forgive my ignorance, but what exactly is Reiki? Reiki , the craft of using one's body to channel universal "Ki" or Chi into other people or oneself in order to heal any ailment.

I think you are confusing it with KodenKan Danzan Ruy (Judo) hold on to any info you have by yourself, could be really valuable in the future

yes, I left that part out, I didnt go too in-depth. thanks for correcting me... once again

Yeah, I would try Xing Yi by itself, sadly there arent any schools anywhere nearby. Currently I practice Kajukenbo Self Defense- taught by my sifu at my college. I am also training by myself in Zhan Zhuang, and I want to learn some Xing Yi and some Ba gua- what I can learn form Books... I hope I can develop this as much as I can because so far, I love Internal Arts

I agree completely So! Kajukenbopr! Where did Kajukenbo come from. I had no idea what kajukenbo was until about 3 minutes after I read your last two posts. I did a little google search and found something enteresting. Before I go on, I mean no disrespect to your style or its FOUNDERS. All five of them. Also, since I don't know the relationship of the person(s) responsible for the article I read, if it is not an acurate account I apologize. According to the article, the founders are Peter Young Yil Choo (Tong Soo Do), Frank Ordonez (Se Keino Ryu) Judo, Joe Holck (Kodenkan Danzan Ryu) jujitsu, Adriano Emperado (Kosho Ryu) kenpo, and Clarence Chang (Chu'an Fa Kung Fu) Chinese boxing. Five men, five different style. According to the article, the style was founded in 1947. Only 61 years ago. Did any of these guys have faith in their own style? Why did they think they needed to combine these five styles? What, from each of there styles did they not like, if anything? I'm sure they all had complete faith in their styles. As I do in Hapkido, Bokendo, and Tai Chi, which I study. All have differing and similar techniques. All have differing and similar principals. They all have some techniques and principals that I prefer over others. Both within each style and between the different styles. I agree. If you have no faith in your art and you are finding things that in your opinion are wrong or lacking, or missing or not emphasised enough , then it is simple, you are doing the wrong art. But, I don't believe we all mix arts because we have no faith in one art or another. In Kajukenbo's case it wasnt exactly a lack of faith in the art, but the desire to overcome any attacker in any circumstance by employing martial arts designed for the individual, not the master. Mixing Karate(korean kicks), Judo and jujitsu's throws, locks, and joint manipulations, Kenpo's hard and very fast hand strikes,( along with any hit that works for you) working together with Kung Fu and Boxing made Kajukenbo a perfect martial art that emphazised on effective and comfortable techniques that would "always" work- not just in specific circumstances. The 5 founders made a different art that would not take years of learning in order to be effective and that could change the approach for different types of attacker, including armed ones. Also, one art instead of having to teach 5 separately which would not only take more time but would also bring conflicting points of view if taught separately. Not a traditionalist, Kajukenbo takes whatever works and uses it, looking only for the extremes in efficiency, if it will work only sometimes, it is discarded or broken down to something more simple and useful. Hope this helps you start your understanding on this art.

Kajukenbo is pretty easy to pick up. Mastering it is the hard part. I see its one of your styles, good luck with that one- for me, its all the martial arts you need to defend urself.

I agree completely

this is like asking, do you master your style? and at which point do you already "master" your foundation art? thats the questionable part to most martial artists, they THINK they've mastered their arts just because of having a rank, or because they have won this or that tournament. what have u already mastered?

you just posted that you wqant to learn judo and self defense(by combining those 2) Krav Maga has all you need for self defense though, but if you want to have something more traditional, take the judo- cross train between the 2 to learn how apply both judo and self defense

The problem with the "deadly strikes in WC" argument is that yes, muay thai do not practice these things. Neither does WC, at least not against a fully resisting opponent where you can execute these techniques with proper power, accuracy, and contact. Most WC schools (I say this from first hand experience) do point of contact drills where they stop strikes like the bil jee before hitting their partner's eye. The way you train is the way you fight. They train this way, with incorrect distance, timing, and without practice of true target accuracty, that is the way they will execute them. In fact, the practice of this can potentially lead to such bad distance/accuracy habits that perhaps a MT fighter who HASN'T done drills like this may do them better in a real confrontation than a WC fighter who has practiced jabbing the air in front of their partner's eyes. On the flip side, I have heard of WC schools putting on goggles and jabbing eyes for real, which is far better than the alternative of striking air, but these are few and far in between. the eye gouge is one of the few strikes you cant use on an unprotected face of your partner/friend, however, WC has a lot of strikes to the body, the face is mostly used as a distraction. With some good training, a WC guy could be able to stand up(I did say stand up, I did not say beat- that depends on the person) to a MT guy. Remember it is not all about power, accuracy and speed is better by far- its not the same to kick someone's upper arm as kicking someone's elbow -

Kajukenbo has very few katas and a lot of self defense techniques against: chokes,pushing or embracing, punches to the face, punches to the body, kicks, 1-4 man attack, groundfight etc. the few katas we have can be used for self defense also, just dont think that you will use 20 specific steps to defeat just one person. a fight is different that performing katas.but Katas HAVE PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS if you are taught well and you can identify these movements as somehting more than just pretty movements