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True if one is training alone . Case of organized training , the instructor will tell you what to do ( perform 50 front kicks on the bag , and after that do some pushups , etc , etc ,) . It's not just about fighting the bag , it is also performing tecniques on it and the fight would be the last step after you are completly exhosted. Training on the bag is all about power which is verry important in my style , however you can aquire some speed and movement from bag training True , i can spare with brown belts who are much havier than me . BUT THAT NIDAN IS IN THE SAME SKILL LEVEL and 50 kilos havier ( 115 kilos minus 70 kilos , do the math ) It's not always about improving one skill , sometimes you just need to use all the arsenal you have , anyway i don't have a major problem with that since i fight yoshudans in the dojo whenever its possible , sometimes it happens that they are injured or not in the mood to fight me , so back to the bag .

All the posts that i have allready read concentrate similar point of view which is " without work, their basics will deteriorate " , you are missing one point here , by working on the bag you are indeed practicing the basics , only in an advanced and competition-oriented way . Fighting the bag is most important because it is tireless and senseless so it will always beat you no matter how powerfull you are Not to say sparring against a human is less important . However bags don't block or hit back . It is initial that one fights against other advanced students in the dojo .however , as for the Nidan we are talking about, these rules don't apply on him because he is a heavyweight ( over 110 kilos ) and not anyone would have the physical power to spare with him , so he just have to train on the bag , which is best for all not just for him , lol .. Moreover , that does not only apply on him , I ( for example ), as a yoshudan , cannot spare with less experienced students , so we're back to the major problem of training on air OR on bag which i certainly prefer.

I totally agree , in fact Sosai Oyama himself agrees . As what Venrix allready mentioned , Competition is way more differant then street fight clinchwork , knees and elbows are all ALLOWED and ESSENTIAL in kyokushin

A second degree black belt in our dojo proposed an idea which is : an advanced player ( yoshudan ) should switch from performing basics and sparring into sparring training only .. his claims are 1 - an advanced student has already learned basics and has no need to repeat the same techniques every session 2 - training on fitness bag is more energy drilling , plus , you can practice moves with full contact without the fear of hurting ur fellow training partners Your comments

I am just wondering what do you people think about kyokushin karate , i mean , its ups and downs , how effective is it , or any thing that might cross your mind , i'd like some opinions from another Martial arts students , surprise me .

Whats are the major differences between Japanese Jujitsu and Brazilian jiu-jitsu ?? ( else than spelling )

incompetent !!!! we are talking about street situation here , right ?? it dosent matter , if this is the case , wether one is competent or not . sometimes street thugs can proove to be a real deal even to a trained guy .. moreover , in a tournament , less trained can prove to be a real deal as well , for instance , there was that second degree blackbelt ,the son of a shihan , highly experienced , participated in many international tournaments , who was defeated by a YELLOW belt .. belive it or not .. I think I saw that match. America's cup? The yellow belt was bigger, stronger and more aggressive, wasn't he? Plus, he wasn't keen on taking promotion tests and was all about the fighting. Indeed

Just for information , is modern sports judo different then kodokan judo ??

i don't know what you think about Sosai Oyama , any way i will let him answer for you : When Mas Oyama had been training Shotokan under Master Funakoshi Funakoshi Sensei goes, "Oyama, Oyama" "Yes" "How long have you been doing Karate?" "Yes, it's been 3 years." "Are you a black belt now?" "Yes, I hold the black belt." As I thought he would complement me, he says, "3 years for the way of grip, 3 years for stance, 3 years of punch. Unless you do 9 years, you won't be able to stand at the Entrance of Karate." And I thought, "The hell with that old man. Even against Sensei himself, I can defeat him with one strike." That was when I was 17 or 18, and conceited. Since then, I have been gripping my fists for 50 years. I've been doing Karate for half a century long. Yet my grip is still not complete.

incompetent !!!! we are talking about street situation here , right ?? it dosent matter , if this is the case , wether one is competent or not . sometimes street thugs can proove to be a real deal even to a trained guy .. moreover , in a tournament , less trained can prove to be a real deal as well , for instance , there was that second degree blackbelt ,the son of a shihan , highly experienced , participated in many international tournaments , who was defeated by a YELLOW belt .. belive it or not ..

There are two legends that i would be honored to be trained by them : 1- Sosai Oyama founder of Kyokushin karate 2- Morihei Ueshiba( O-Sensei ) founder of AIkido but that is not possible since both r dead , so i will just try to follow their steps ..

Aikido is a great art , it sure is spiritual , and verry effective in self defense , however, it requires a lot of training and dedication , but after all any MA does .. I had some differences with my kyokushin sensei b4 , so i moved on to Muay Tai for about 4 month (untill i found another Kyokushin dojo who was suitable for me ) , one must always search for other options . what i am saying is go for it

I would say Hapkido , shotokan , TKD .. however i advice you to try Kyokushinkai or Muayi tai ..

The informations posted up there are much valuable , however , i would like to say what i have in mind : Kyokushin is a strong and hard style of karate , that makes you a solid fighter , however , you will basicly learn how to strike , BJJ is a great grappling and ground fighting art .. personally i prefer to cross train in both .

Jujutsu is not Sumo derivitive as far as i know , it has been influanced by Sumo but has chinese origins .. is Jujutsu and JiuJitsu the same ?????

So your saying that people that only do one art will be hopeless in a self defence situation? Lets review some things. Why would i need to cross train? Well lets go through a few styles i could cross train in. MT / boxing - No need as my art completely covers striking from both hands and feet. Bjj / Wrestling - No need as we do groundwork and takedowns and fighting on the ground against standing attacher. Judo - No need as we do ALOT of locking and throwing. If you knew anything about the art im studying you would understand what im talking about. Maybee it's true , i , personally , don't know anything about ur art .. any way lets do some math here , lol .. MT is 90 % about striking BJJ/wrestling is 90% about groundwork and takedowns Judo is 90% about throwing and locking ... so if you train in MT , almost all the training would be about striking , same goes to BJJ and Judo .. while in ur art , the instructor has to combine those styles in one session that means 30 % for striking , 30% for ground work and 40% for throwing ( i assumed the 40% bcause u said u do a lot of throwing and locking ) so the instructor has 2 options here , the first is to teach differant techniques at the same session , and i don't think that would be verry effective because that may distress the student's attention the second is to focus on one technique at each session , in this case , number of sessions per week must be increased .. mastering one of these arts ( striking , grappling and ground work ) requires more then 3 sessions per week , what about mastering all 3 of them , most of instructors teaches 3 times or minus per week , lets say you take 4 sessions .. while in cross training you might take 6(+) sessions , so probably cross training is better

weaknessz of styles i studied ( thats my personal view ) my initial background is kyokushin so start with KK : 1 - no hand strikes to the head due to not wearing any type of gloves , but most of advanced KK fighters get used to facial hand contact verry fast 2 - high number of injuries ( again no protectives ) 3 - limited grappling techniques ( clinching is only allowed for 3 seconds ) 4 - limited ground work Muay tai 1 - no ground work 2 - vulnurable to some kicks ( sometimes ) 3 - limited grappling Aikido 1- no competition 2- requires a lot of training

Ya ... but i prefer to get some beating than to run like the wind , any way , it happned with me once , i was with 2 friends ( one black belt that makes 2 of us , and the other don't do any martial art ) when that drunken gang attacked us in a "hostile street" , they where about 20 , we fought well but at the end of the day i had many wounds in the head , my freind had his eye wounded baddley and the non martial artist fell down and got his b*tt kicked so hard , he suffered an injured rib as far as i remembner ,i think that martial art helped me in that situation , maybee i was just lucky , who knows !!!!!

I think the best combination would be , kyokushin and BJJ , i also am a big fan to aikido but since it's not competitive , it can not be included . I guess BJJ and kyokushin combination allready exists as Daido Juku , unfortunatly , no Daido Juku dojos exists in my city , so i'll just have to cross train in kyokushin and BJJ ..

yeah , i noticed that , lots of my posts just dissappear whats silat ??

Sounds like you need more then Kung Fu. That's not going to help you if your on the ground getting kicked. But BJJ/Muay Thai might be able to help you there. Kung Fu isn't as realistic in it's approach to self-defense. It is much more of a traditional Chinese art form(like dance) then fighting. Bring on the flames if you must but this sounds serious(getting beat up by multiple attackers) and this guy should know the truth.Agreed .. just one point you missed there , Muay tai is most effective while standing , but i don't think it include any ground fighting techniques ....

If i am to choose , i would choose Sosai Oyama .. I would say that fransisco filho is the greatest fighter alive , quiet frankly , the man is great with all what he accomplished in Kiokushin and k-1 rings , his 100 men Kumite , but as a fighter and instructor , he have done nothing comparing to Sosai Oyama what i admired in Oyama isn't killing bulls ( 4 in instance , 47 as a hole) or competing with any one , althow that is great ,but surviving 18 month of solitude in the mountains , thats legendary !!!! that just came up into my mind : most PPL congratulate the champion , but never his instructor !!!!!!

Not in hour days , while OLD traditional martial artists had the chance to test their powers in a real situation , NEW traditional martial artists probably won't , the forms and stances where daily preparation for real situations , and i think they worked

i am not suggesting that you should kick someone in the head just to test it , thats not what i said , i am saying that the only way to test your moves is by hard contact , without any protective gear , you say you got a hit to the head , i've got hits to the head more than i could count without any type of gear ( me or opponent), and i've been knocked down , i am still alive thow , and i have c'n big guys knocking other big guys with hard hits , have you ever heard that someone really died in a match , well if it happens it would be casual.. most of light contact or no contact guys don't even know the REAL power of their strike so they just assume that if you hit someone he'll fall , (like what Drag'n said in his post ) Sosai Oyama said once :Without practice one cannot prove; without proof one cannot be trusted; without trust one cannot be respected. the proof would be in a hard fight

I know what a real strike does. You dont even have to hit with maximum power and it hurts like hell, and it can cause lethal damage. one hit in the head can kill a man. You c , thats what am talking about , PPL say that a strike to the head can kill a man , so u just belive it , without ever traying it , but is that true ???? most of fighters fall after being hit with to the face , with leathal strikes like a roll kick or round kick or axe kick , what eva... do they really die ???naaaaaaaaaa ..