Master Jules

It is that exact reason why I let you post before me MM.....hahahahaha

HUH ????

Im SERIOUSLY gonna date myself here......yeah....I have the album(vinyl) too......but my first copy was on 8-TRACK !!!!!!! LOL Do you think the youngins even KNOW what we're talkin' about ??????

......and dont forget the 38 in the ankle....lol

Thanks GCAV..... The idea of weightlifting is to shorten and "bulk" the muscle.....the arts tries to lengthen the muscle.

DM....you bad bad girl....lol

still anxiously awaiting Gilbert's next fascinating post

Ill be happy to.... First, you must examine the lineages of the systems to understand why there are differences of such magnitudes. Start with the Okinawan system.... Miyagi left the system to his top students (Yagi-Meibukan, Toguchi-Shoreikan, Miyazato-Jundokan, Shinjo-Shobukan, and Higa-Shodokan) when he passed away in 1953. Even amongst these practicioners, their respectful "kans" have some slight differences in the performances of kata....This was due to Miyagi teaching them all slightly differently....NOT because they decided to change things on their own.....It is VERY important to note that. Now.....the first "offshoot" of Traditional Okinawan Goju Ryu was under Gogen Yamaguchi, who founded the Goju Kai (Japanese Goju Ryu). Yamaguchi trained SPORADICALLY over a 12 year period with Miyagi....I should also state that prior to his training with Miyagi, Yamaguchi held the rank of 6th Dan in Judo, but was so fascinated and enthralled by Miyagi, and Goju Ryu in general, he denounced all other arts, and continued solely with Goju Ryu. Yamaguchi was Japanese, which created a minor problem for him, in terms of his understanding of Goju's very subtle nuances. The Okinawan masters understood Chinese culture and language because of their Chinese ancestry.....the Japanese didnt. Being that Goju Ryu decends from Chinese systems such as White Crane, Pakua, Hsing-I, and the internal arts (Chi Gung), Yamaguchi never really "got" the whole system for one thing (as I said....his training was sporadic), and what he did get from Miyagi he didnt fully understand, because of the language barrier. Again.....Goju Ryu has some VERY subtle nuances that make it a "fine art".....not to say that Yamaguchi wasnt a great martial artist in his own right....he was, but lacking a Chinese background, in combination with his "on and off" training.....putting it very simply....he just didnt "get" the whole system from Miyagi.....hence....he was forced to "fill in the blanks" with what he thought was right, thereby leading to the creation of Japanese Goju.....The Japanese are typically flamboyant in their style, and they lacked the "Ju", or soft of the system. The stances are longer and deeper....they block harder, and lack the "blending and trapping" techniques that the Okinawan system has. This is actually a part of the system which decends from the Shaolin Chin Na (seizing and grabbing) part of the system....something Yamaguchi didnt get a full understanding of. Next......One of Yamaguchi's students was a UDT/SEAL member named Peter Urban. Urban trained hardcore under Yamaguchi, reaching the level of 5th Dan. It was at this time that Yamaguchi told Urban he would never be promoted past 5th Dan due to his being American.....Urban did get almost all that Yamaguchi had to teach him about Goju, but felt on his own, that the system could be "improved upon" After leaving Japan, Urban returned to the states, proclaimed himself 10th Dan, and gave himself the title of "Grand Patriarch of all American Goju", making changes to what Yamaguchi had taught him, and creating new things as well.....and like Yamaguchi....filled in the blanks so to speak. He too failed to realize the importance of "Ju"....and many things are done WAY to hard...Sanchin especially...Tensho, BTW, being done to soft.... Two of Peter Urban's top students, Frank Ruiz (an NYC cop) and Ron Taganashi broke away from Urban's organization, after a fallout in the '60s, and created their organization, known as Nisei (2nd generation) Goju, again making changes and so forth...... If Ive left any details out that you still would like to know about.....dont hesitate to ask.

The "basics" are what enables you to do the "cool stuff"..... Remember always : "Man who build house on sand....eventually have no house"

Copycat....lol....

I wish I could join you......thats one of my "dream trips"......best of luck.....enjoy !

Coming up through the ranks, I simultaneously trained both USA/Urban Goju, and Traditional Okinawan Goju.....when I received my dual sensei rank in 96, I had several conversations with high ranks on both sides.....I decided to leave the USA system, in favor of continuing with the traditional form, because I prefered staying with the "real deal".....even though the were very similar, they were VERY different as well.....the differences between Shotokan and Wado Ryu are huge as well, so it may be confusing.......but try both for a while.....youll figure out which, if either, you prefer.

Do you really think that Master Inosanto, or for that matter, his teacher Master Lee would approve of you teaching someone with questionable morals ????

Oyata is most definetly TOPS in this area.....Ill back you up fully on that statement Kempocos

WIB......your scintillating wit is quite a turn on.....ooooooops......sorry.....did I say that out loud ?

Fukien China is where most of the Okinawan masters went .....seems like a good place to start.

Ive heard his name many times......seen some tapes....never met him, so I wont say yes or no. Gee....that post was a big help.....LOL

Ditto......another great post WAP !

WAP......great post.

Thai.....I see where youre coming from, but I have to respectfully disagree.....a skilled martial artist is a lethal weapon.....like a gun, lets say......there is an awesome amount of responsibility that comes with having that knowledge and ability, hence, there is an even more awesome responsibility placed on the shoulders of the instructor, in determining whether or not a persons character and morals is worthy of such knowledge......Youre right about the "a-holes" who usually drop out, but its our responsibility to make sure non "fall through the cracks". I extensively interview all prospective students before even letting them set foot on the mat.......but, thats just me.

Exactly Jax....well said.....being new here...and welcome btw.....you havent seen my many posts where I simply say...."Belt hold up pants....get on mat and train"......in other words....I dont care how many stripes you got....GET ON THE MAT AND SHOW ME WHAT YA GOT !

Pressure points are found in many karate systems....you just dont "get to it" until later on in your training.

sometimes.....thats a good place to be

LOL.....Id say his students are probably a little more "compliant" ......TW17 is located just behind and under the ear...... I wasnt "out cold"....but he did drop and daze me substantially

Im not endorsing him......I did train with him several times at many seminars.....I let him knock me out with a triple warmer 17 shot.......I will say that some of his stuff is VERY questionable though......