SevenStar

The phoenix eye will vary depending on the style you are in. I learned it with the forefinger, not the middle. IMO, the forefinger is more stable.

any style can have effective hand strikes - it's all in how you train them. That being said, The punch I would be most leary of is that of a boxer.

1. don't put so much stock in a rank. the reason you pointed out is exactly the reason why you shouldn't. 2. you are moving fast too, IMO. In BJJ, it's not uncommon for a person to be a white belt for a year. I was in longfist kung fu for four years, and only reached blue sash before I moved to bjj. in my style of longfist, blue was only the fourth rank.

I pretty much agree with what's been said here.

same with judo and bjj. that's why people tap...

ippon seionage = one arm shoulder throw. I only mentioned the one arm part because there is a two arm throw also - morote seionage.

tai otoshi = body drop

you've got far too many assumptions in that post... 1. whether or not the MA is asian has nothing to do with it. 2. you have no idea what the best MT guy would do against the best boxer 3. Not everyone thinks boxers suck. I don't, and I know I'm not the only one. 4. the competitors in the UFC are not the world's best martial artists by any means. There are some very unskilled people in there. A guy I went to high school with is one of the biggest names in MMA today, and he was a wrestler in high school. No other MA training at all.

your defensiveness is showing for a reason... I never said anything about your training, did I? I never said YOUR school was training ineffectively, I was talking about schools in general. If you don't think yours falls into that category, don't jump on the defensive. As for the transitional thing, I mentioned them being transitional, and your reply was something to the effect of one of your karate teachers taught you wrong, and then you said "thanks for the enlightenment"...

Sounds like I'm real biased doesn't it? If I was, I woulda simply said "forget your stances and go train bjj" step into the light, grasshopper...

LOL, I just told you everything I trained in, but yet you still focus on the bjj. You sound like someone who ran out of things to legitimately discuss... However, since you addressed it, if you notice, bjj guys cross train. If you notice, bjj guys aren't getting their butts kicked all the time, and why? because there are really no pure bjj guys in MMA anymore. they strike. boxing, muay thai, etc. in addition to grappling. Evolution is what is key and that's what many traditionalists don't see. Where are the traditional guys that are kicking MMA guys' tails? Oh, my bad... you won't find any. I've trained in several traditional styles and have plenty of respect for them. Not all of them train properly though, and that is their downfall, as recent history has shown. to the ones that do continue to evolve and that do train properly, more power to them.

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Yeah, I agree. Many teachers do that. I think that's a big problem in the MA today - there are too many secrets. People try to protect knowledge to make themselves look more knowledgable, but they do so at the cost of limiting their students. principles behind techniques you are doing is basic knowledge that you should be taught. It's those principles that will allow you to apply the techniques in sparring and combat.

kung fu/qi gong has pretty good MA articles most of the time. Not the mess like you see in Black Belt.

also keep in mind that the stances are used in some instances as training techniques and endurance exercises for a specific techniue. for example, in shuai chiao, the ghost stance (similar to golden rooster stance in longfist) is a training form for a sweep - like judo's hiza guruma. the longfist posture shoot the bow is a training stance for what judo calls kata guruma - the fireman's carry. with a certain hand positioning (don't feel like trying to type and explain right now) gung bu (forward stance, bow and arrow stance, etc.) is used in shuai chiao to teach elbow locking, an arm locking technique.

he's probably saying that the connotation of sport or combat doesn't matter much, for various reasons that are currently being debated on other threads. also sport techniques are easily modified, as I pointed out in my above post.

like I said before...Three years in karate, four years in longfist. two years in jun fan, muay thai and kali... currently a sankyu in judo and also training bjj and shuai chiao... I was telling you how to use your stances, remember? I'm quite familiar with traditional training. Regardless of what's taught at the school, if they're not effectively training, including hard drilling and contact sparring, those "deadly techniques" may do you less good than you're hoping.

Three years in karate, four years in longfist. two years in jun fan, muay thai and kali... currently a sankyu in judo and also training bjj and shuai chiao... bad assumption on your part. Anyway, simple fact is, unless you are realistically sparring and drilling, all of your combat art's "deadly techniques" amount to little more than a hill of beans. And actually, sport arts would utilize some of those techniques better. It's alot easier for me to eye gouge, punch a throat, etc. while you are on the ground and I have total control of you. Some do take longer, especially the chinese styles. does that make them complete? no. the lack of groundwork in CMA proves that. even the chinese wrestling styles like shuai chiao lack ground work. length of time to master has nothing to do with completeness. How often do you practice full contact strikes to the knee? eye gouges? groin pulls? exactly. In the mean time, you've got boxers, wrestlers, etc. that are going contact on a regular basis, with the techniques they will fight with. That makes all the difference. Royce told me himself that in the first (two, I think) UFCs there wasn't an expressed rule against eye gouging. you would only get a penalty. so, theoretically, if you eye gouged someone, you would get a penalty, but if they couldn't continue, you'd still win. Where were the traditional guys? On their backs, too busy defending to worry about trying to eye gouge. Ever seen shuai chiao? The throws are designed to either break limbs, throw a person directly onto his head, or a combination of the two. VERY combat oriented and potentially deadly. BUT, they see the value of training full contact on a regular basis. Consequently, there are safe versions of the throws taught, that way they can compete and train in a similar manner to judo's randori and shiai. Basically, it doesn't matter what a style is "better equipped" for if it doesn't train it properly, and that's a fact jack...

stick with jamming. keep your guard up in case the punch comes.

you succeeded.

gotcha. my bad.

That would all depend on you... there are lifting throws, sweepeing throws, sacrifice throws, pickups, takedowns, etc... and different people excel at different groups of throws and learn them at different rates... That's a question that I really can't answer

on the surface, they may look the same, but the mechanics may be worlds different. a good example is the roundhouse of say, tkd and muay thai. they both look like roundhouses, because they are, but the mechanics are quite different.

Try this - this is what I do in randori/rolling and while sparring - Jut try one technique. that's it. use what you have to to set up the technique, but make the sparring time into a more advanced learning experience. For example, I love the throw tani otoshi. when I first learned it, I would randori thinking "okay, all I want to do is tani otoshi. If I get it, I'm happy" I make a conscious effort to try a specific technique. Over time, those techniques get ingrained into muscle memory and become second nature. Once you are comfortable with that technique, make a conscious effort to try another that you would like to work. Dunno if it'll help you much, but it's done wonders for me.

4. people get used to fighting people from the same style they train in 3. unrealistic training, in some cases. 2. Not knowing how to deal with being hit hard - people tend to forget their training when they get hit hard, if they don't know how to deal with it. That's why contact sparring is such a valuable tool. 1. mindset. Do you have the same mindset of the guy who is thinking of nothing other than robbing and killing you? Can you manifest the agression that someone in that state has? If not, you may be in trouble. IMO, mindset is one of the biggest factors in the outcome of a fight.