SevenStar

Good post. I've been told the same thing about the cqb and aggression.

And that's exactly how groundfighting should be approached. I've got respect for BJJ, but I don't think going for a submission in a combat situation is very useful. Yes, you can just use the proper force for a break, but what happens if you get caught in a stand-up fight? On the same token, what happens when a striker is on the ground? that's why people cross train.

If we can agre that boxing does teach proper timing.. how come there were zero pure boxers who managed to not get taken down in fights which allowed it? Boxing teaches nothing which solves the problem of the takedown. A pure boxer has no real defence against a takedown. Not all arts are equally capable of winning a fight. which is why I stress cross training, or at the least doing some type of work with people who train in other styles... but I see where you are going, and I'll give you that.

lol, it's not really tkd vs. bjj - I train in bjj - I'm just sticking up for tkd a bit, I guess.

bridge and roll - you want to put his face onto the mat. it may take repeated tries. If you see he's not going anywhere, on your next attempt, slip your knee under his backside, then roll the opposite direction. There are other escapes too, but it will depend on the position your arms are in.

I know very well what I said. with proper timing, distances can be controlled. How did lewis beat tyson? kept him from getting inside. he controlled the range. watch chuck liddel - he's awesome at defending takedowns, but he is primarily a kickboxer. he remains on his feet by controlling range.

merciful. As a supposed trained fighter, you can gauge when enough is enough.

no the question was if he had never trained in BJJ and instead trained in TKD would he be as good as he is/was? The answer is no, I know it, You know it and everyone else knows it.. Stlye is not everything it eventually comes down the the person it can only give you the tools..but to belive all stlyes are equal is a bit unrealistic. he would still be good - he'd probably be in a different venue. I stated cross training because that's a necessity in mma now. If he trained pure TKD, he likely would not have entered mma to begin with. the style is as realistic as the training for it. I know TKD guys who love to throw. That's how they train. there is no superior style. I'm primarily a grappler these days, but I've had the wind knocked out of me by TKD guys, I've been in the ring and been hit hard by kickboxers, Some of my hardest training was training in karate... All styles have there good points, and are extremely effective when you know how to use them properly. That said though, IMO, you can't train properly if you can't deal in all ranges, which is why I'm an advocate of cross training.

if by chinese fast wrestling, you are referring to shuai chiao, it has forms also - the single technique variety that judo has. If you count the wai kruu - muay thai has one form.

not true. judo does have forms. They are single technique forms, but they are still called kata nonetheless. Judo also has multi step katas, like the pinning kata, but they aren't required knowledge until you reach 2nd degree brown belt.

I try. Currently, I'm training 5 days a week, 2.5 - 3.5 hours per day.

ALOT harder than it sounds, unless you've got some distance on him, in which case, his timing was probably off in the first place. also, he may still have the chance to switch to a single leg, a pick or some other takedown.

Judo is great, but tends to limit groundwork, depending on the school you are at. From what I've experienced though, the avg bjjer would kill the avg judoka on the ground.

Like I said, nobody is actually supposed to fight from a horse stance - it's transitional. whether or not people are taught right is an entirely different issue. There are several styles that don't break boards - I train bjj, judo and shuai chiao. I don't break boards. I'm just making a case for them.

Most of what is not intierly correct, a human is much more than a slap of dead weight, humans can yield to an att, my friends ninjitsu teacher can take a sever punch fullpower! by four more than large men to the neck And suffers no damage "We must not limit ourselfs to our pre-conceived fixed notions"-TRUTH- "Boards don't hit back" -Bruce Lee- Notice I said theoretically. Still, that doesn't render the skill completely useless. I've felt Iron palm strikes before - they hurt. lol, no boards don't hit back, nor do heavy bags or kick shields, but they are still used.

It's overly simplictic as applied to MMA, but obviously gets the point across. However, that is very true of Judo, which is the art that I mentioned. A judoka only masters two or three and sets them up relentlessly. Any other throw is just icing on the cake. As for Rickson, I guess we'll never know. As talented as he is, with some cross training, I think he'd do fine.

As for the question, is there anything in particular you want to know?

No one art is truly complete... Any one that claims to be will still be lacking because you won't be able to spend adequate time on EVERYTHING...

Also, the guard. No, you don't want to be on the ground, but if you are, guard is as good a place to be as any, defensively. your opponent is covering all of your major frontal areas, and your face if your head is tucked. they can still kick the back of you, but I'd prefer that over getting stomped in the throat, stomach, ribs, face, etc. At your first opportunity, sweep the guy to reverse, and attempt to get back to your feet.

bjj guys are ususally pretty decent clinch fighters, and many of them also know serveral throws. Ideally, you won't want to go to the ground at all. If you do, knowledge of grappling will enable you to get up quickly and efficiently. Face facts, regardless of style, in a multi opponent situation, most people will lose. All you are doing is trying to give yourself a fighting chance. You want to run and stay alive. Going back to the grappler, his goal should be to make a hole big enough to allow him to run away. hopefully a good throw will give him that space.

If you can break three brick slabs, imagine what you should (theoretically) be able to do to someone's sternum...

If I remember right, there was one. If I remember right, he lost. I'll double check.

Unless you get tackled. I know of a school that teaches TKD, the instructor is a former Olympic Bronze medal winner in TKD in 1988 olympics, so he teaches very much sport TKD. I've had a couple of his students say the same thing I commented above. Great stuff in a fist fight, but if they get tackled, show is over. as opposed to TKD? like they teach any takedown defenses..boxer can at least fighti n close...TKD does not even teach clinch fighitng.. Mistakes you are making: 1. Don't make such a general assumption about styles. What any style teaches will depend on the teacher's experiences. I do know TKD guys that are taught throws - several. One in particular trains with a guy who also has some degree of black belt in hapkido and judo - the guy has trained guys who were ranked 3rd in the world in judo - of course he teaches throws. Even if he didn't teach throws, he teaches olympic caliber tkd guys... think about the training someone going to the olympics must go through. Do YOU train that hard? food for thought. 2. you are underestimating the TKD guy, and you know nothing about him. who says he's only trained TKD? like the coach I mentioned in the example above, he could've trained multiple styles.

ANYTHING can be effective, you oonly have to train properly. so If I trained as hard as I could in Tae Bo I would be just as good as if i had but that same effort in Boxing or Muay Thai. not all schools/stlyes are created equal..dont be naive.. your first mistake is that tae bo is not a style.... Don't be so ignorant. To add more to that, there is no "most deadly style" Ultimately that is gonna depend on the fighter and how he's trained.

While I cannot speak for any other arts I can speak for mine when I say that some of the things you said are a little assuming. Remember that there are arts out there who hit punching bags without gloves. I'm not saying boxing isn't just as "deadly" as a martial art, for that would be very arrogant on my part. BTW, when you said "working forms" did you mean doing katas? I would imagine that kata's are just one part of a plethora of things you would practice. I have kata's and I practice them but I practice my punches and kicks just as often if not more. Once again I'm not saying boxing isn't effective, I'm just saying that some of the things you said above probably doesn't apply to every ma. It's not assuming at all... I'm speaking from the experience I've had from training traditional styles. Of course, you will do more than katas, but you won't train at the same intensity as the avg. sport fighter. Also, as I said, the training is more focused. you have weapons, kicks, punchs, in some stlyes - throws, katas.... see where I'm going? you have so much to focus on. Take Judo for example. Out of the 65 throws in the style, how many does the avg competitor really master? Coaches reccomend that you have 2- 3...2 or 3 throws mastered out of 65?? why? specialization. It's a technique that they KNOW they can make work when they have the opportunity at least more than half of the time. Of course, you learn the other throws, but you mainly work with your main 8 (pick 1 throw you like for each of the 8 directions) and of those 8, you have your big 2 or 3.