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I should say ITF Taekwondo.. WTF style Taekwondo does not do knee spring or sine-wave.

I take it then that your back leg is firmly planted on the ground when punching?

This is the precursor to Sine-wave. In Sine-wave you lower the body then raise it, then lower it. Knee spring raises it emidiately then lowers it.

Originally, ITF TaeKwondo performed punching according to the same principles as Shotokan: jerk the hip, tense the abdomen etc. Then they played around in the 70s and added a very peculiar thing called knee spring, in which you spring the back knee slightly by raising the body upwards and down before you punch. It is demonstrated below, watch closely: Now, does any Karate style adhere to this principle of punching? It makes no sense to spring the knee without punching afterwards... Springing the knee is meant as a weight transfer from the back leg to the front leg. But in TaeKwondo, you are supposed to spring the knee, then set it to the ground, THEN punch. Making the motion irrelevant for power generation. Later they added an additional step (Sinewave), which is to go down, then up, then down. But let's stick to knee spring for the purposes of this thread.

As much as I love Shotokan, I have seen some chief instructors who can't kick to save their lives (very stiff side and roundhouse kicks) , most can punch though. Are kicks a relatively low priority in Shotokan given their conservative use in Katas?

I think I know what you’re talking about, but I’m not 100% sure. Could you post a link for an example? If it’s what I’m thinking about, it’s for power generation. Why was it rejected by Funakoshi?

Why does Shorin Ryu have this salsa-like shaking motions with the hips when performing kata? I don't see it in the other Karate styles like Goju Ryu, Shotokan and Kyokushin

It's not performed explosively though. But yeah, the palwe forms gets better and better. I don't like the first ones. We aim for explosiveness in many of our forms in my school. Doesn't look that way based on masters performances on youtube.

It's not performed explosively though. But yeah, the palwe forms gets better and better. I don't like the first ones.

Hmm. Wouldn't you say unsu is a flashy karate kata relative to other traditional karate styles? https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=73&v=4kN61Gf-cgI

I love the linear, to the point, explosive Shotokan katas. I'm curious how it's percieved among other Karate stylists - are the katas held in high regard?

If Bob Sapp beats arguably the greatest Kickboxer of all time - Ernesto Hoost to a bloody pulp with wild swinging punching, I can only imagine what Mike Tyson would do to Hoost. When the K1 fighters get pressured by boxing they seem to crumble. Look human. Same thing with Lebanner against Mark Hunt. Mark Hunt is not a boxer. A shame we didn't have more fresh elite boxing blood in K1 to see how the kickboxers would parry their punching expertise.

Yeah, Lewis hooks were good. His sub-par jab against Greg Baines gives his background away quickly IMO. The jab is not as important in Kickboxing so it makes sense that he didn't perfect it. In boxing, the jab is the most important shot. It tells you everyhing about a guys technical abilities. Similiar to the sidekick in TaeKwondo, which many instructors feel is the most indicative strike.

Interesting. Bill Wallace said the same thing about himself. I wonder why they were so critical of their boxing abilities. Both possessed fast muscle fibres and had natural athleticism. Joe Lewis did appear to have a weak jab though, and Teddy Atlas claims that while poor boxers can have good jabs, he has never seen a good boxer with a weak jab.

Headgear does not prevent head trauma, the brain shakes regardless. Headgear is removed from the Boxing Olympics because studies found that they increase the risk for CTE.

There's nothing going to waste in my case. And sparring on the gym is not going to cause any CTE in me. I stick and jab and protect myself behind 16 Oz gloves.

Like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pnaf665v9mU

The ones I've seen sparred lighter than in my TaeKwondo school.

Did a little investigation. There were talks of a Benny Urquidez-Roberto Duran Kickboxing fight but it never materialized. Benny was reportedly up for it. He also wanted to fight Sugar Ray Leonard. I think Benny stylistically kicks the living daylight out of Sugar Ray Leonard but Duran???

Are you allowed to go for full contact blows against each other, or what should I expect in a few months when I finally get to spar? Boxing doesn't really make sense if not performed full contact, but that means risking knockouts and health. Are you allowed to punch as hard as you can in sparring or how do boxing instructors deal with this risk?

There's these, and in no particular order, as to importance... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kickboxing http://archive.prokick.com/kickboxing/article/history-of-kickboxing/ http://www.angelfire.com/rings/kickboxing/kbhis.html http://www.ideafit.com/fitness-articles/group-fitness/boxing-kickboxing http://www.pka-kickboxing.com/pka-kickboxing-history.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Karate_Association Hopefully, there's enough here to wet your whistle, or at least guide you towards what you're searching for. Many thanks, but I did not find any information on when the rules where changed to 8 kicks requirment per round, or anything about pure boxers entering KB events, prompting the rule change.

Joe Lewis trained boxing dedicately for a year under a former world champion and as a result had many KOs attributed to his boxing.

But you didn't adress the point I was making; A modern american kickboxer trains in the gym for american kickboxing rules only, nothing else. Yet you still think the american kickboxer has a disadvantage in his own rule set?

Don't you on the other hand run the risk of getting kicked in the head due to bobbing and weaving? Ducking into a kick? Even though knees aren't allowed you can still get caught by one when they attempt to throw a kick while you are bobbing and wearing. I always though head movement in boxing was a bad habit from not having to worry about kicks.

Is there any site that writes about the early kickboxing matches in America? I would like to know the level of the boxers who entered and the kickboxers.