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Bring a mouth guard and some mouth wash antiseptic. Good luck and don't get sucker punched on your first day. Why do you think I will be sparring anytime soon? Beginners dont spar for months

My first day is over! The bodymechanics is very different from the Kickboxing that I learned. In boxing you're told that keep your knees bent before during and after the punch, and the stance is more narrow. I'm trying to come to grips with this... But I absolutely loved it.

Guys, I will take a free trial in boxng for beginners tommorow. Anything to think about in advance for a free trial as it relates to logistics? I have small Kickboxing gloves, should I bring them with me? Do I need gymnastics shoes?

I've trained traditional type Taekwondo for over 3 years.. Not hitting mitts is not an option. You having trained in TKD (Traditional) for 3 years, then I don't understand why you have weak wrists?Three years is surely enough time to have strengthened your wrists in this time frame, while in class isn't there any type of wrist exercises such as push ups, handstands against a wall and wheelbarrow walking with s partner? King Fu Iron palm can be practiced on a mitt, very useful to know. Iron palm slap Iron palm conditioning Iron palm vs boxing https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EE-9IDbgaS0 We were punching old, soft mitts for 2 years. Then bought a new hard one.. I can keep the wrist straight but it doesn't feel as stable as I want it to be.

I've trained traditional type Taekwondo for over 3 years.. Not hitting mitts is not an option.

Why would we see a unified TaekwonDo when Karate, Kung Fu, Hapkido etc are all split? The rules are slightly different between the ITFs but they are by and large the same organisations.

So there's no conditioning for the wrists by hitting heavy bags with gloves on? I'm not sure I fully understand what it is that you're asking. Hitting the bag with gloves (and wraps) early on will definitely help. If something is weak, you need to support it, right? Well, the gloves and wraps provide that support. As you train, your wrists and fists will strengthen, and be able to handle the impact with less and less support over time. I thought you mean hitting the bag with ONLY wraps

So there's no conditioning for the wrists by hitting heavy bags with gloves on?

I have fragile wrists when performing hooks on mitts in Karate training and can't go full out due to the pain it causes, and it feels like they are about to break. Can a boxing gym, where glove are worn against mitts, strengthen fragile wrists over time?

That is only one type of walking stance for punches and blocks. There is also a lower stance prevalent in later forms identical to the Shotokan one. Nice try.

The WTF kept more hand techniques intact compared to the ITF. Choi made small changes to most of them, also later implemented Sine Wave. The WTF kept the karate hip-twist, the blocks, etc

I think you would be well adviced to go over the Shotokan Katas again, because the Kukkiwon copied and pasted them as well. I've never studied the Kukkiwon poomse so maybe I don't know. Can you give an example? With the Chang Hon forms there are direct comparisons, e.g. Heian Nidan and Won Hyo. Can you give an example of a Kukkiwon form which matches a Shotokan kata? All Heian forms are present in the tageuk coloured patterns, just like the ITF. They switched move orders and techniques, that's all. If there's a knee in the Shotokan Kata, there might be a front kick instead, and vice versa.

I think you would be well adviced to go over the Shotokan Katas again, because the Kukkiwon copied and pasted them as well.

I get mixed instructions. A black belt told me to NOT snap the kicking foot, and instead have it static when the kick has been lashed out, and then retract the entire foot. My instructor however tells me to snap the foot in the air and retract it. Which one is the formally correct way, or are both formally correct?

What bugs me the most with traditional instructors is their rigorness/fixation on precise, microscopic stances, instead of trying to teach correct execution, which is what ultimately matters. Stances are fluid, not rigid, in real combat, .

Hi. No, I don't train groundwork for the following reasons: Even if I learn the fundamentals, a grappler will outgrapple me easily, so it wouldn't matter were I to face a specialist. I'm quite confident in my takedown defence, since I trained against a wrestler in high school and did quite well. So against the average Joe, taking me down is no small feat. Edit: If an amateur takes me down, then he is likely much bigger than me and will ground and pound. It will not be a grappling contest.

It isn't just in the US, it is happening around the world where children are less "Fit" these days. Honestly I think it is partially because parents don't really encourage children to go out and have fun. But instead they are given iPads, Computers and Xboxes at a young age to keep them entertained instead. I think it is a product of the times we live in. For one we did not have all of these electronic devices and some of us didn't even have a TV and if we did it was black and white and only with a few stations. The other maybe less obvious reason would be that parents today have a lot more to worry about than when I grew up. We did not turn on the news and hear about god knows how many accounts of weirdo's and perverts causing harm to children ever single time we turned it on. We went pretty much where ever we wanted without worrying about some freak doing harm to us. I could walk a few miles to the woods that we played cowboys and Indians or US vs the Nazi's without fear of being picked up by some freak or pedophile. The other primary difference is most women were care givers and stayed home with the children. Now days it takes both working to make ends meet if you have a family in most cases. Parents were more engaged I personally think back then and the lessons of their parents were passed down to their kids as far as respect, work ethic and drive. Not sure I could say the same for most kids these days. Very few have respect and even fewer have work ethic and drive. The norms have changed. As far as your instructor loosing his zest for teaching, age tends to slow us all down. If he has been teaching for 40 or 50 years I would say it's not that he has lost his fervor for teaching but it may be a product of teaching this generations kids. Like Nidan Melbourne pointed out, kids today are more interested in laying around playing games on computers, texting and staying up with social media than going outside to play. It is probably aggravating to see the decline in athletic ability or the lack of drive. Or maybe age has taken the proverbial toll on him and he has slowed down or maybe he's just burned out. The thing to remember is he is a living encyclopedia after so many years and contains a wealth of knowledge. We all slow down and loose patience with age but this does not negate his worth as an instructor. I guess I would ask if he acts the same way with his senior students? If he does then maybe its that he's burned out. If he act differently then maybe he's burned out with the newer generation and their perceived laziness and lack of drive. I'm an adult (28) and those are the classes I'm referring to. I was honoured to find his school because of his 9th degree. He really mostly supervises more than anything. It's not as if he will leave any imprint on my abilities. This notion that a great student can only come from a great master is pretty false. My evolution is from watching clips online, researching and drilling in the class. Our instructor rarely demonstrates techniques himself, but instead calls up a second, third or forth degree black belt...

So then there is a difference between the two and someone might be interested in learning both styles? The thing is that there's been so much interbreeding between Karate and TaeKwonDo that I don't think it matters at this point. I just attended a Shotokan class in which the instructor taught the students mawashi geri with the instep (!?) during Kihon!!

I feel as if my instructor doesn't really care anymore about his lessons in the art as in its prime days during the 80s when Karate and TaeKwonDo was "The Big Thing". He started training in 1966. The level of rigor, explanation, philosophy is all laxed. I also feel this vibe has gotten progressively worse over the years. No passion about the various excercises. I just feel it in his demeanor. He's stated himself that he was much stricter in his gradings just 10 years ago. I don't think he's lost his personal passion for the art, but the lessons however? Is this a common psychological route for old school masters with the advent of MMA, and decline in popularity of Karate?

It doesn't really matter for this thread since Knockdown Karate is a far superior conditioner for real life combat than Point Karate. Kyokushin guys strike MUCH harder than light contact guys (Shotokan) and can absorb full contact hits with ease.

I'm pretty sure Tang Soo Do stances are lower.

I've moved to another city so the Boxing venture was put on hold. But guys, I've been informed to steer clear from those gyms that are not pure Boxing clubs, no matter if they offer Boxing. But does that matter if the instructor is a merited boxer?

That's Hwang Kee circa 1950s. The style has developed since then. It's like comparing Gichin Funakoshi to today's average blackbelt. If we're talking about whether there is value in holding two blackbelts today, better to look at how the current style teaches and moves and compare what the average student is doing today as that's what they'll be learning and practising. ¨Regardless, you think having ones shoulder higher or lower (for example) when performing kata justifies spending time getting a second black belt? As for Gishin Funakoshis Karate-Do, the reason we can't compare it to todays Shotokan is because his son, Gigo, made fundamental changes to the art. No person after Hwang Kee made fundamental changes to Tang Soo Do, that I know of, Not sure where I said it justifies getting a second blackbelt? My point was that there are more differences between the two than just the hip rotation aspect you mentioned in an earlier post: Chudan uke / kaunde makgi was just one easy example in Bassai which is a kata / form the two styles share. I was referring to techniques in isolation from any kata. If you see a Shotokan dude delivering a sidekick, his/hers body is not leaned back like the Korean version. Japanese kicking techniques are much more tight and rushed .

Starting from 6:25 I'm mainly interested in stances and delivery. Are the stances higher than advanced levels of Shotokan (in which stances are neutral). Or are they virtually identical The reason I ask is because the stances from Shotokan black belts are not consistent at all.... The WKF Japanese national team have deep stances (which is supposed to be below 4th dan). While other black belts such as Kanazawa have significantly higher stances, closer to TKD.

And, might I add, Shotokan of today looks identical to gigo and Nakayamas Shotokan. So Karate does not automatically evolve with time. Shotokan development has been pretty stagnant, to its detriment.