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I think the whole point of a forum like this is to share knowledge and experience - the poster wouldn't be asking otherwise. If you have insight in this matter I'm sure myself and others would like to know.

Well XMA and modern wushu are performance based martial arts. I think pro wrestling could be considered in the same category. The moves they are doing do require lots of skill and their strength and conditioning is excellent (although maybe drug enhanced).

https://www.judoinfo.com has a great throw techniques section. Lots of animations and videos. The problem is, doing these throws statically is really easy. Try doing them when someone is fighting back and they soon become very hard without lots of live practice. jos2thehua Seriously, when you are coach you can dictate the way the class is run. All our wrestling clubs run for free for adults, kids and teens pay a small fee. My judo club is about 20 bucks a month. I'd say you'd learn a lot more from a club while spending very little money compared to buying videos and books.

The article about no judo deaths is here http://judoinfo.com/chokes2.htm I'd like to find more articles eventually but the general feeling in the judo community is that chokes can be applied safely. Judokas and BJJ practioners have a lot of experience applying choking techniques under resistant conditions. That means they can do this in a manner that is not destructive to the throat cartilage and also be aware of the condition of the person being choked. I don't think you should take the comments by johnnys as being carefree. Take a look at his qualifications (BB BJJ) - to me that would signify that he has experienced choking techniques against himself as well as applied them. I would trust that he has the ability to apply these techniques in a controlled manner.

On the flip side, my judo sensei says good newaza (ground work) is essential for strong judo.

Resisting during drills is considered bad. When learning a throw the point is of mutual benefit which is not gained by fighting the throw. Try relaxing, don't straight arm or stiffen up, shuffle stances etc. Once you learn the throw, then you can start adding resistance.

Can't be sure for certain as I can't see my face. I'd imagine it has a serious look.

I buy belts for 5-6 dollars cdn which are jukado brand. I've worn one straight without dye running and I've also soaked my last few to help take out the stiffness. Even soaking overnight the water only took up a slight tinge. As for washing the belt, I do it every couple of months. As a mudansha, I end up changing belts after a few washings anyways. The only thing I have about washing belts is they shrink a bit. I can see arts where you rarely grapple or roll on the ground being cleaner, however never washing seems extreme.

Jaxevolution, When I hear jiujitsu gi/kimono, I think bjj. However, when a lot of ppl hear jujutsu they think of the japenese variety. Aikido, jjj all use judogi although they might opt to use a hakama as well. Judo is huge world wide, making judogi mass produced and affordable. They are designed for the rigors of throwing and groundwork. Judo is the product of three styles of jujutsu btw. Aside from the the differences that sevenstar stated, the bjj gis i've seen are a bit tighter in the body and sleeve. If you can't find a bjj gi the closest thing i've seen cut wise is the mizuno eurocomp. Shorter skirt, stiffer and leaner fit. Type in a few key words in google and you will pull up tons of internet shops.

From some exposure with the wrestling club, I can say their takedowns are not gentle. In fact, judo and wrestling overlap a lot of their throws and takedowns. The reason for going to the ground could be for many reasons. You can use a winding,ducking and dropping motion to add momentum to the throw. The throw could have been less than perfect leaving the possiblity of a partial point. Going to the ground leaves the opportunity to win by other methods such as pin or submission before your opponent can recover. When you look at a lot of throws in judo, they are executed from a standard grip of one hand on sleeve and the other gripping the lapel. Since striking is illegal in judo practice and competition, there is more focus on grip fighting and throw setups. As johnnys alluded to, a judoka does not have to worry about striking defense.

I think that has to do with volume of practioners of judo vs jiujitsu. I've never bought a jiujitsu gi but I like https://www.hatashita.com for judo ones. After looking at the site just now, they do have one bjj gi but it is only listed under global and the canadian site.

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3-5 times a week depending on what is going on in my life.

I don't think Kano studied daito. He did study Kito and Tenshin ryu jujutsu before creating judo. Also I think choi is the man that taught the founder of hapkido?

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I saw it last year on vcd, a so so movie aside from the vibrant colours which i thought were spectacular.

In a judo club that is going to be pretty hard as it is a bread and butter throw. Considering there are many hip throws not learning how to deal with them would be bad thing. Anyways, It does sound like improper rolling technique, however it's to be expected in the first few weeks. It's almost harder to go slow on the rolls but practice from the kneeling position should be fairly safe. Pretty soon you'll be able to roll over a row of classmates evil knievel style.

I think i know what you are talking about. I sometimes use that if someone is in my guard and i attempt sumi gaeshi. If they post an arm i can wrap my closest arm and bring across towards my head till i can grab my other arm. Roll over into tateshiho and apply ude garmi to trapped arm.

Kakarotto, The idea of the deadly street throw is as bad as the one punch kill. Today Judo is mostly sport. Few schools train all the techniques which include striking. When was the last time you punched or kicked someone in randori? Throws are a great tool but definitely harder to pull off when someone is hitting you.

As a judoka i would switch the words bjj and judo and ground and stand up so it read BJJ will most probably give you bad habits on the Stand up, however the ground portion is excellent. I'd probably do judo for a while first, then start BJJ Luckyboxer, Judo is practiced as a sport with the olympics being one of the highest venues. The rules have changed over time to improve audience retention because of that. Judo matches start with opponents standing with the objective to throw a person cleanly onto their back. If you don't get a clean throw you can go into groundwork. However you have to work very fast towards a pin, choke or submission before you get stood up again. Submission in judo can only attack the elbow joint. Therefore alot of judoka will turtle up (curl into a ball) or lay flat out on their stomach to stall the match in a hope for a stand up. Also if you pin someone on their back for 25 seconds you win the match, therefore if you have a pin you won't attempt a sub unless your opponent escapes. This creates tendancy for judoka not to fight on their back as much. Also one person can standup which will quickly restart the match. The rules for competition also prohibit the use of spinelocks, hand on the face, slamming. I think the reason judo is not as strong on the ground as bjj is because we spend so little time on it. In my club in randori we will allocate 30 mins for groundwork but an hour for standup. If we do combined matches it will usually be 3/2 or 4/1 minutes stand/ground. The rest of the time we do practice thows and drills, while we don't have as rigorous drills for our ground work. There is a strong emphasis on tactics and setups for throwing while ground stategy is left to be learned more by the individual through randori. I tried a few bjj classes and they are more structured in their ground attacks. I had most of the same moves they had but definitely not as polished as ppl that had been studying the same amount of time in strictly bjj. On the flip side, takedowns/throws to get them to the mat were compartively more easy for me. As for the original question - i think it would be a great benefit to do both. Without sparking a lineage war, i am of the opinion that taking both will help produce a martial art that is closed to pre ww2 judo.

Gumbi, forward throws like that require that you totally commit to them. It's not surprising that you are getting your back taken if you are not very good at them. As for throws, don't neglect the feet. Simple ones like Kosoto gake, ouchi gari, kouchi gari etc don't have the flash but put ppl to the ground none the less.

If you think that you are missing a great chance at improving your skill. I'm at a club that has only a handful of underbelts. We have national, international champions and even an olympic medalist at the club. Every practice you constantly push to keep up and by doing so learn faster. Also I want to avoid being thrown by a 6/5th kyu as much as possible. They have little technique and many times drop ppl in midair or have no balance so that you fall on them. Getting thrown by a competent judoka is a fairly painless thing that you can do in class. The only way you get good is to practice. Practicing with the more experienced ppl in the club takes some of the guess work out of it as they can better accomadate and advise you.

Sheesh, gotta keep the judo end up! Actually, time permitting i was going to try and fit some bjj into the schedule to get a different perspective on the same judo techniques. A great cardio builder we do is one guy stays in and fights everyone in the dojo in newaza. We break and do nagekomi. Then we go back to everyone fights one guy in standup. The white and yellow belts, who stay out the way (keeping fresh) tend to have great enthusiasm when a person is reaching the end of his turn. That way they stand a chance over advanced players. Plus it gives some of the older black belts an excuse to save face - yeah he pinned me but i was tired!

It seems a romantic notion. There is a link that describes the program half way downt the page. It is quite a lengthy pdf. Some of the information is different than what you describe. For instance fees are 190 per week up to week 26 165 up to 52 150 53 rd week on on. perhaps this is an older pdf and the prices you've quoted are more accurate. It does say that for every 12 weeks you earn 1 week off and 2 for christmas. Bank some time and make a tiny sum over 6 weeks a year? Of course a month and a half off would kinda screw up your training. Even at 130 per week, if they feed you, school and house you, that is pretty cheap. Try going to university for that price.(~ 12 000 for 2 years assuming you don't pay during weeks off). I'm assuming these are in oz dollars - keep that in mind american/foreign readers. I'd say it's interesting. You'd have people that are equally dedicated to the art vs. weekend warriors at regular dojo. The concentration of training and intensity would definitely put you into a rare breed of martial artist. Personally I'm happy with the training I get for the time i put in. Therefore I wouldn't personally embark on this. To me martial arts is a hobby and i have a whole lifetime to get better at it. Do more research, confirm legitimcy, plan finances for 2 years, see if it really is viable for you. After reading the pdf again, it sorta looks like they are relying on graduates of this program to spread karate further. Be sure of your future obligations or if they will continue to hound you after you are done.

for judo i compete against people from the club all the time. By the time you go to competition you've fought each other in practice so many times it's not a big deal to do it one more time. mantis we would just spar at the club.