Himokiri Karate

Sort of but I mean, Taekwondo is more popular than Karate since it has been an olympic sport for so long and many people love the kicks which is more palatable for movies due to flashiness. I mean Tang Soo Do could associate with Taekwondo all together ( some do) and not have anything to do with Karate. I just feel that it resembles Karate a great deal.

I noticed that many refer to Tang Soo Do as Karate or Korean Karate. In fact, many Tang Soo Do followers are more comfortable with being called a karateka as oppose to being associated with Taekwondo despite TKD absorbing the TSD organization in to their own. This begs the question, is Tang Soo Do a hybrid style of China/Japan and Korea? I mention china becomes Tang dynasty had Kung Fu styles that influenced Tang Soo Do. I really wish there was a documentary about Tang Soo Do.

True and I find that I do much better if I train in different arts. The reason is, if I stick to just boxing and boxing only, I deprive my body to experience new movements that can be challenging but also rewarding. In respect to mind, its very good to train in a different art and comeback to the main style to feel that newness again. It also can be a humbling experience being bad at a different martial arts. Good way to stay sharp and vigilant in training. I think there is a special magic in being new at something and taking time off from your original style and then going back to it has its own benefits. Most of it pertains to the mind and staying fresh. This is what happened to me with this love/lust feelings. There was a sense of going nowhere in life, stuck in the same gym at a style of martial arts (boxing) that is not popular in my hometown to go anywhere in life. This leads to being disillusioned and feeling defeated and uninterested.

This question is so heavily dependent on my psychology and lifestyle that makes it a multi answered question. What I mean is, if I am on a celibate kick + healthy foods+ hill runs and tons of strength and conditioning. I am a different human being because I am sharper, way more aggressive and have tons of cardio with the adrenalin dump on top. Conversely, there was a time where I was very skilled, sharp in sparring but then my mind started thinking about a girl that I loved and I got in to this weird head space of missing out on life. During this time, I was a mix of passive, docile and submissive because I felt like I missed out on love, romance with the person I was meant to be with. Being skilled meant nothing at that point. Of course, I finally made peace with that aspect of my life and I became a bit more aggressive because I felt like I was too busy rebuilding the past in my head as oppose to looking ahead and building a future. Anyways, my point is, people (including martial artist) go through a different head space and there are times in life that we are stronger and more assertive and other times, we are questioning our own value and self worth. This is my personal experience anyways.

I feel like social media and forums like reddit are more how you say "in your face" in respect to notification bells as well as receiving emails that someone responded to your post. Forums that have experienced rejuvenation have added notification bell function to their software. This way if you make a post but life gets in a way, you get a reminder that someone responded to your post and it returns to your attention, In old school forum I have occasionally experienced asking a question and forgetting about it until months later I revisited the forum to realize I got a response long ago, Some folks never check back unless they get a reminder.

To be specific, I am talking about Qi Gong and Kujikiri. Now I just want to note that both disciplines are not really for combat but rather its claims revolved around cultivation of ones spirit and vitality. Both disciplines are rooted in Yoga. Qi Gong is from china and most folks have heard the name. Many serious kung fu practitioners and folks looking for alternative health tend to partake in these activities. The theme is cultivation of ones being. Kujikiri is Japanese and while its supposed to be part of ninjutsu, it is a stand alone practice. It revolves around Yoga Mudra which are the handle signals. Much like Qi Gong, this art revolves around being more than what you are in essence of your humanity. Now this is where my question comes and forgive me if this is going to sound mystical. But what I would like to know is, do you believe in their potential of the practice bestowing great capabilities? Not necessarily super powers, but more like the ability to have incredible health, renewed youth, increase of vitality and becoming a better learner, sharper mind and body as well as getting rid of traumatic memories stemming from violence or a deep emotional hurt. My end goal is to find out how much you believe in the unknown aspects of martial arts. I mean, ancient warriors and martial artist had tough lives full of darkness. I like to think that they had to create a yin practice to control their yang so that they could evolve in to well minded individuals.[/i]

Like being able to jump high to have great physical attribute and a mastermind of a cognitive thinking that can solve great problems while being in middle of a hectic situation. I ask this because I feel that in my heart that we have not extracted the benefits of martial arts or any human disciplines like qi gong or yoga. I don't know why but for some reason I feel like there should be more to this journey. I say this from reading ancient times and how people survived horrific conditions and events thanks to martial arts which was the vehicle towards unlocking great human potential. This made me question if I am doing this right? Should I be meditating 8 hours a day or engaging in prolong fasting or vegetarianism?

I feel the same! Man it felt like such a closure. I mean the part about Master X being challenged and him holding his own was something I heard but others forgot what the Kung Fu guys name was but now the person in this thread mentioned him being about Master X. My Master X story was about a student going to his place and he had the student perform strange techniques in front of the mirror. But another person mentioned that he was challenged by an MMA guy. This Master X had few threads about him that made him well known for that time. But for some reason he just disappeared and was forgotten. Yet I thought the story of him was just a figment of my imagination since after years of searching I came up empty and I felt I was losing it in a big way. But I am glad someone else heard the story and some of his stories matched the ones He was so much like a forum pulp fiction urban legend of traditional and Mixed Martial arts. The story of Master X was during the pre-social media era sort of speak. In the early to mid-2000s the forums were dominating the social conversation. Sure we had social network like myspace but the main conversations happened in forums. Specially niche topics like martial arts or anything that constitutes a community. This was such a long time ago that for sure this is the perfect example of a Mandela effect.

First of all, I want to thank you from my bottom of my heart. I thought this Master X story was some false memory that got stuck in my head. Regardless of its validity, I am glad someone has heard this story before and it was not made up memory of some thread I read in the 2000s. This has been very helpful and I am glad others remember the story. For what its worth, it was a good story and the person who came up with it is a great story teller and that in itself is a very respectable skill.

I absolutely agree. Plus, you can be an excellent instructor without being terribly skilled at applying things under pressure, yourself, or having a competition record. Unfortunately, competitive success is still the majority of people's method of measuring the effectiveness of a martial art, for better or worse. Good points. Honestly, I came to the realization that its bad business. With rent and cost of running a place is difficult as it is. So I can do private lessons for the particular style of karate and get a bit of a cult following but it wont work as a dojo. My gift of skills is to incorporate boxing in my martial arts. People love boxing and the fitness aspect does satisfy the business aspect since it has mass appeal. I now understand that most folks will be put off by moves like Ippon-ken, Hira-Ken and Nukite. Its just an odd skill to learn and doesn't burn much calories.

Combat sambo allows kicks. That and the footwork of boxing comes handy when you are trying to evade and counter punch. They are good combination.

Boxing and Sambo. I train in both and its an amazing base to have for striking and grappling. They would have sufficient hand skills and quick footwork from boxing and many types of standing and ground grappling techniques. Later on they can add karate or kung fu techniques. But if you have any sense of mercy and compassion for the well being of your opponents, you would want to avoid the most powerful technique of Himokiri style Karate!

This is always a good idea, although you would need to try diffrent formats like full light and semi contact, kata competitions. Also compete not only in karate tournaments but for example mma. I would have few questions for you though: 1. Do you have your own dojo and students. 2. Are those students ready and willing to continue training after you establish new style. 3. What would be a governing body for you. 4. Something more personal like your age and where you live. Anyways good luck. PS Isnt himokiri karate used in Grappler Baki Yes, over a decade ago we had a cobra kai dojo in my hometown. So I was like why not? It was karate/kickboxing but honestly, I think I better not go through with it. I am just asking for trouble. Cobra Kai is different because its a fictional style rooted in realistic setting while Baki is supernatural.

I would ask these questions: 1. What is your prior training experience? Years, rank, accomplishments, etc. 2. What is your reason for starting your "style," what is it rooted or grounded in (principles, goals, etc). Why should I, as a prospective student, give up what I do and follow you? Or, as a new student, what do you offer that is not readily available from someone who is already established in one of the already established and trusted styles? 3. What will the curriculum consist of? Forms? If so, from what style are you taking them? Or are you creating your own? If this is the case, why, and what is the reason for creating new forms? Do they have applications, or are they just a series of moves strung together for another reason? 4. Is there a self-defense base, and will it be a regular part of the training? 5. Do you have some sort of creed, manifesto, or layout of goals and objectives that are too be accomplished through the training of your style? What can I expect out of training? I'm sure I can think of some more if I mull it over for a while, but these are a good start, I think. Can you answer each of these questions in regards to creating your new style? Sorry for late reply and thank you for the question and I am very happy that this is an engaging response. The answers are as follow bellow: 1. Boxing, various Karate/kung fu and sambo/judo. I have done some boxing exhibition. Would like to compete in amateur and pro. 2. I would say the principle is in my signature and I hold it with great conviction. I say a perspective student should join my style because I will teach them accuracy Hojo undo training to develop their physical attribute. Folks coming from a grappling style can learn Hiraken, ipponken and nukite which will nicely transition in to takedowns in case they miss. The hands/fingers and the entire body gets hardened up which helps with injury prevention. 3. The strong/powerful movements of karate. Importance is keeping the hands up to protect the head. Much like boxing/kickboxing but the hand conditioning allows them to hit hard. The katas are freestyle and its based on proper mechanic and not going fast. Students learn the traditional karate move and they can come up with their own katas. Much like shadow boxing. 4. It is self defense based, the body has to be conditioning. The forearm and fist have to be very strong. Strikes are based on hitting smaller target which develops accuracy. Boxing combos for sure but also tons of palm strikes and other barehanded strikes. 5. The end goal is to develop a powerful and well abled body that can deliver accurate strikes. The act of developing accuracy must mean the act of developing concentration. Students cannot just power through their move and throw haymakers like they are brawlers. In fact, this style is the extreme antagonist to brawling punches that lack focus and concentration. My students will learn a throw in clinch. The dojo of Himokiri karate MUST have Hojo Undo equipment. This is not negotiable, the training is tough and one must prepare for endless repetition and a life of mundane. Sparring is controlled and with safety glasses due to finger strikes being allowed. Because training is tough, physical and daunting as well as mundane. The students will have access to meditation for nervous system recovery and to renew their spirits. Meditation classes are part of the training and there is no extra fee since the idea is to encourage students to show up.

THATS IT!!!! Now its coming back to me! Tell me more. I thought I was making this up and was a false memory that was driving me crazy but you are confirming that this story was told. the truth is moot point, I just thought I was going insane and that it was all made up in my head but you proved that it was a story that was told regardless of its truth.

Alright I am going for it, my style is going to be my username. The principle of it is in my signature and I believe it with all my heart, with everything that I am that the principle of this style is solid. From the 72 shaolin skills, this styles moves can be trained and nurtured. Nothing outlandish, its physical and focus is on conditioning of wrist, fingers and forearms. However I need help as to how I can be not successful but also legitimate in my presentation. For example, should I fight in a karate tournament? Do I need to prove the style in a specific way?

Same here, I appreciate it though. It was such a weird story that the strangeness of it stuck with me. Truly something that shook the mundaneness of the whole thing.

I first heard about this in 2005 about a poster in some forum talking about a strange encounter meeting a kung Fu master named Master X. He had to wait outside until the receptionist called him in. Once he went there, he was at a training room with flowers and decorations. Here he met Master X who had him in front of the mirror performing strange hand postures and forms. Everything else is hazy but I remember the poster got light hearted ribbings from the folks replying to this thread. I don't remember what happened next and every now and then more often than I care to admit, I fall in a rabbit hole of endless curiosity of what was that all about. Anyone remember this story?

I have been a member since 2009 and first time I am facing this problem in a real way. Perhaps this is something we all face but to me it cuts in to me in many layers. I have recently questioned the effectiveness of my style ( boxing/karate/kungfu) ever since I immersed my self in Sambo. This sambo is incredible!!! Let me tell you this... Sambo moves are actually closer to the original judo. Meanwhile modern judo has been watered down and it became its own thing. In the sambo I am learning, I feel so assured. Like I don't even feel like I could kick anyone's rear end, its the fact that it feels like coding. You add the html, the header, the body, the div and you create ornaments. Now I am new in coding and I see so much of it be like sambo. The difficulty is the fact that I have to acknowledge that there is a martial arts style that is simply superior to my style. I don't mean in a sense of who wins in a fight. But rather an art form that instills so much metaphoric goodness. If done right, moves look clean, teachable to civilians, great for sport grappling and its combat version is good for self-defense and combat sports format. It can be taught to law enforcement, nurses, doctors and paramedics. Overall I know that sambo learn its style from judo/boxing and various forms of miscellaneous martial arts and so its important not to get too attached in what you are practicing. For me I have reached a point where I have to give major props to a style of martial arts that is secondary for me.

Solid post!Thanks man! They both share a cultural attitude of teachers feeling their style or way is the best way. That and similar training methods in some ways. For example in both boxing and Kung Fu the teachers will give you the basic training like the horse stance, the footwork and movement as well as conditioning exercises. From there, the students get to pick which animal style they want to mimic. I remember in the movie, Iron Monkey, there was a scene with the shaolin master saying to the disciples that its time for them to choose their style of Kung Fu which requires each individual to take a different path. In boxing the idea is, once you learn the basics and gained a bit of experience, you can learn different ways of developing guard and footwork or stick to one and make it work against every style you face. No wrong answers because many ways to succeed. I think in the years prior to the use of gloves in Western Boxing, I do believe the two styles had much in common, especially in regards to the use of trapping motions and what not. The evolution of Boxing, however, has made it very difficult to see any of these connections. Yes and No. I get that the glove has taken away barehanded strike but the horse stance gives you amazing base strength. The movement of kung fu allows better weight transfer and perhaps learning to sway back if you are in to unconventional boxing technique and movement. Also someone who wants to have a higher guard for face protection may perhaps consider iron body training. Example would be if someone wants to learn to box like Winkey Wright. His guard protects his head real but he would be open to body hot. To his credit he has developed great rotation allow the body punches to slip and not land cleanly. While a good method it does take away the power of his offense but if he perhaps engaged in iron body he could embrace a bit of body damage to power up his offense. The way I see it, there are plenty of ways that Kung Fu can be implemented in to boxing. Even learning kicks gives you a better footwork because of the flexibility and range of motion which is the nature of kicks or leg raises.

Thank you friend for the links. I have Mantis Boxing, Tiger Swallow book and it got some good moves but I am not sure if its related to the Tiger Swallow Fist. Its odd that this style has become so popular in fiction. I mean, there are tons of styles that sound more formidable that are also real than tiger swallow fist but for some odd reason its being associated by powerful antagonist despite not really being an evil style per say like Dim Mak or Demon or spider Style which are allegedly real styles or ideas.

Awesome, its amazing because its like two fighters combined. One is quick and unpredictable and the other is direct but powerful.

I feel that the true essence of Kung Fu can be resurrected in western boxing! I know it sounds a bit odd but there is a strange synergy between kung fu and boxing. Both have many sub styles and while boxing may not come in specific labels, different trainers claim their style is the best. It seems like the case for Kung Fu. When you combine both you get a unique type of mapping. With Kung Fu you get cultivation of flexibility, movement and overall body control as well as the mind and emotion from Qi Gong. With boxing you get the ability to move and see what kind of body and mind you have while Kung Fu adds and improves things that a stereotypical boxing exercise selection may not have. The horse stance of Kung Fu improves your baseline for dynamic movement. The Qi Gong improves your mind and has you less anxious to spar. The flexibility allows you to be more formidable with your footwork and prevents injuries. In many amazing Kung Fu books that promote internal martial arts, they also promote the idea of carefully engaging in pugilism ( be it boxing/kickboxing) to see the fruits of your labor if a person wishes to engage in martial arts from a combative purpose. Thus through deductive reasoning you eliminate any false idea that might get in your head. The proof is on the floor and in the ring as well I suppose.

Its a martial arts style that takes after the fierce attack of tiger and the quick and unpredictable movements of a swallow bird. This martial arts style is very obscure and rare and lives and thrives in video games but there is one book that confirms its existence. Its called Mantis Boxing- tiger swallow. Other than that, there is a kung fu form called little tiger swallow but its just like a kata/form and not a style. I am curios to know if anyone has encountered someone who does have this style? The Japanese pronounce fist as ken but Chinese pronounce it as con or quan depending on accent. But all translate to tiger swallow fist. I ask because its odd that it is so popular in fiction but so obscure in real life. The oddity comes from the fact that there are other kung fu styles that can be more suited for fiction that are based on powerful entities like demons and dragons but this one seems to be very popular while being based on two common real life animals.

No punch use up kick or short elbow strike. If you want to get crazy unconventional then try a pinch or tickle If life and death.