hey i started martial arts (primarily in stand up style as opposed to ground) anyway im a kickboxer now and i grapple alot as well. now we have all heard that classic saying about how all fights end up on the ground thats why certain arts that encorperate ground fighting were invented, however.........how come karate or taekwon-do (which i started in before kickboxing) only encorperate punches and high flashy kicks when all fights end up on the ground anyway? Sonny