i found this, its Jacks' abs workout. its good really makes you work. 8 Reverse Crunches 8 Crunches 8 Crunch Twists 8 Side V-ups (8 on each side) 8 Reverse Trunk Twists I do movements straight after another, using 3 "supersets" Every week, I up the amount of reps by 2, when a plateau is reached, I keep the same or lower amount of reps for that week. If that fails, which it hasn't yet, I'll start using a different abs routine for a few months before returning to this.