Sounds like almost no one has any faith in shotokan......i took muay thai for 1 1/2 years, i find shotokan much more effective, also even though shotokan is not full contact you dont really need it if know what your doing. Plus muay thai is SO limiting, it makes you too human. Karate(shotokan) can make you better than you are, and it doesnt really on if your 20 pounds over this guy your going to win, shotokan you can only limit yourself not statistics. But there are ALOT of shotokan mcdojos, so becareful anyway.