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two things about this statement. 1) Krav Maga was big WAAAY before enough came out. The movie only made 14 million at the box office so it couldn't have generated THAT much hype. 2) You say that if TJS doubts that Krav Maga is seeking a fast buck through movie, etc. then he is speaking in ignorance. I would like to retort and say that it is YOU who are speaking in ignorance since you state all of this without giving one reference, but mearly rely on speculation to PROVE your point. If you are going to go around telling people that they are ignorant then you had better back it up with facts, not speculation.

>This is funny. Here you have two people who train Bjj, (one of whom is a BLACKBELT who has trained in it for 13 years) telling you that bjj does have strikes (albeit limited), and you tell them you think it doesn't? I guess it's just in their imaginations.

I would say the biggest difference is conditioning. Conditioning is a HUGE part of the Krav Maga system. And from what I have seen they do alot more full contact then I did in my sansoo days so you may get a better feel for real fight speed then you generally would in a sansoo school. Also I belive Krav schools train you in the psycological aspects of fighting and fire arms stuff as well. Sansoo does some fight psycology stuff as well but it is more philosophical then scientific. Both arts tend to have an eclectic approach to training and both will teach you functional techniques that you can use very early on in your training. Hope this helps.

10 points for JohnnyS and 5 points for Drunken Monkey. JohnnyS is the overall leader with 20 points. Ok now i'll turn it up a notch. http://www.daito-ryu.org/Images/toki1.jpg

Johnny my main man relax. It was a seminar, not a grappling tourny. I'm pretty sure that the Machado in question wasn't in top condition at the time and probably didn't expect to bump into such a good grappler at a SEMINAR for cryin out loud. Now if Treebranch had said he tapped a Machado in a challenge match or a grappling tournament THEN I could see getting irate, but not over a seminar. Sheesh, Man you BJJ people are a fiery bunch aren't you?

70 MILES??!! Dude you shouldn't even have to ask this question. No seriously, take the judo/jujutsu and kick butt when you finally do Bjj.

10 points for my man JohnnyS. It is also known as the Crucifix hold/lock. Here is the next one. http://jujitsu.geddis.org/curriculum/hip-throw.gif

Ouh oh! This is gonna be good!

Well said Kenpo4life but I think you are beating a dead horse here and I will tell you why. I have been studying Japanese Jujutsu for a few years now. I have rolled with both judo players and Bjj people and for the most part have done well. When I beat a judo guy he simply complimented me on my technique and we talked about Jujutsu and how some of the jujutsuka are starting to get more serious about randori and Ne waza. When I beat a Bjj guy he REFUSED to belive that I had learned all of my skills from TJJ. We got into a little debate about the origin of the techniques used in BJJ. I tried to explain to him that Bjj got most of it's moves form kodokan judo and judo got it's moves form Jujutsu. He argued that BJJ is superior in technique to judo and has chokes and submissions that are unique to it. I showed him the classic text "Judo in action" and he was stunned at the number of techniques that Bjj had in common with Judo and reluctantly acknowleged that they were the same techniques. The problem is that BJJ people go through great lengths to conceal the roots of Bjj to maintain the impression that bjj is something new and what not. And I don't think the fact that their video "Gracie jiu jitsu in action" sounds similar to "judo in action" is a coincidence either.

Ok this game isn't working out as planned. I thought that when you post an image you simply paste the url and then add and the image shows up. What the heck is going on mods?

DING! DING! DING!! You are correct. Jigoku jime or Hell choke. 15 points for Tibby! Now whats this? http://www.combat-jujitsu.com/cjj/images/TQ1C.JPG

Most of the time someone breaks it up be it law enforcement or security. At any rate most streetfights do end rather abruptly. The pace of the fighting is crazy and something that you can't mimick with any so called REALITY based training.

Most of the time someone breaks it up be it law enforcement or security. At any rate most streetfights do end rather abruptly. The pace of the fighting is crazy and something that you can't mimick withany so called REALITY based training.

Not at all possible he studied aikido or ninjitsu huh? It's just not possible huh? I'd like to know why you find this so hard to belive Andrew Green. Does it have to do with your preconcieved notions about those arts or something else? If I learned anything from Sakaruba it's that he has a very unique style that no one else has. Maybe he studied aikido at one point and took some of the most effective moves from that training and used them in a NHB match. Is that possible? Or does aikido even have any good moves in your opinion?

You guys are more fun than a barrel of monkeys! Ok can you see it?

It really is a great clinch hold to have in your arsenal. you can do so much from it and it doesn't leave very many openings for your opponent to exploit. Great hold!

why isn't my image showing up? Can anyone see it?

The winner gets .... A pat on the back on a job well done.

Lets play a little game. I will put up images of chokes and submissions and you all try to guess what the choke is. But be careful, I will use some hard ones to name! Here is the first; http://www.judoinfo.com/images/shime/jigoku_jime.gif 10 points for the japanese name 5 points for the common name 5 points for naming styles that use it or a variation of it 15 points if you can decribe the application of the technique.

Hey TJS thanks for that article. It really was a good and enlighteninig read.

Yep. But still not an excuse not to train for the ground as you well know.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! Run for your lives, it's the dreaded "90% of all streetfights end up on the ground" sham again.

Judo with strikes IS jujutsu IMO! You may have a valid point about judo at school, but then again you could end up seriously hurting someone with the throws couldn't you? Jujutsu has lots of katame waza "come along" techniques that could help you in the situation you described. And as for the decline of Judo, it depends on who you ask. Some of the old timers say it is declining and some more modern peeps say it's just fine. But heck even BJJ old timers are starting to say that Bjj is too commercialized now so who knows Old timers are NEVER satisfied.

Some of those gi chokes can still be performed in the street if the person has a nice thick shirt on. There is a guy who is a bjj blackbelt with the Machados, I belive his name is Chris Hautser or something, who has a video set called "Street jits" (street jiu jitsu) and in one of the volumes he has a section on t-shirt chokes. You should check it out.