SevenStar

the empty hand was only for use if their weapon was lost. That being the case, they were likely focusing on weapons more than empty hand. That's why Kano's judo guys mauled them in tournies. They focused on empty hand effectiveness only.

Don't fool yourself on that one. When a weapon is involved, the outcome is up in the air no matter what you train in, unless you're doing weapons defenses constantly, every day, like an escrimador or kalista. just because you learn some knefe defenses and a staff form doesn't mean you can hold your own against a weapon on the street.

yes, but i think they all make well fighters none the less. except maybe command sambo because i dont know anything about it. and to the environment thing... that would be the old "ring vs street" discussion and to what extend they are the same/different, which was not the purpose of this threat. i guess Kyokushin and Muay Thai are very suitable fighting arts, but lack grappling which i think u have to either cross train or go attend one of the above (Krav, San soo...) in first place. just my opinion though. muay thai doesn't lack grappling per se. you just don't really see it, other than the plumb technique. karate has throws, but I know very few karate people who throw while sparring. Muay thai has takedowns. since they aren't really used in competition, they aren't trained alot, so many people who don't train muay thai never see them. Just as with anything else, when you don't practice them regularly, you won't use them.

No, I don't think so, unless we're talking weapon styles. I'd rather charge into battle with some iado knowledge as opposed to just muay thai, for example, but in reference to empty hand combat, I have plenty of faith in my MT, judo and bjj. I omitted the part of your quote concerning conditioning, but you realistically can't do that. If you are in empty hand combat with multiple opponents involved, you had better have top notch conditioning.

did you see them? not doubting your instructor, but almost everyone I know who's into MA has some instructor who says something along those lines. It's kinda like the "my styles grandmaster is 232323-0 in challenge matches" thing.

not really. Thre are other factors. you may not WANT to go to the ground, but you could be jerked around and dragged down by someone. you can slip in a puddle or on some loose object. You can get clocked and temporarily lose balance, during which time he takes you down...

I disagree. As a thaiboxer, I know better. I've seen too many guys who train point sparring all the time get mollywocked in the ring because they aren't used to the contact level. I've seen it happen on the street also. many clubs will provide you with gear, and in the fights I've been in, it's been provided also. Now, while you do want to spar full contact, you do't wanna do it all the time - that's just asking for injury, and if you're injured, you can't fight. you only really need to go full contact 3 -4 times a month or so. Vary the other sessions between light and medium contact.

I've trained in both- I'm very aware how different they are. What I meant by bjj being no different is that it's not designed for multiple attackers, but can be aplied to multiple attacker situations. Being designed for combat doesn't imply that it's designed for multiple attackers by any means. Just as the karate guy will kick and punch, the bjj guy will throw and sweep, and use his ground knowledge to efficiently get up from the ground if he goes down.

your point is moot though. you're not gonna find a bjj instructor worth his salt that is going to pass out a black belt to someone who doesn't deserve it. You can't say that about many other styles.

trust me... bjj black belts are awesome. roll with several of them. you'll see.

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Well, in "the ring" usually both people have practiced BJJ at least some. Would it then be fair to say that half the time a BJJ practitioner goes into the ring he/she loses? That argument is no more valid than saying Karate is no good because in a karate-only tournament most of the guys end up losing. I hate to seem skeptical, but to my knowledge the defense in BJJ relies on manipulation of the other persons body, to remove their ability to fight back. How would one go about doing this to multiple attackers? bjj also includes standup throws, like judo. Heck, there are dozens of bjj guys, myself included, who also train judo. Where I train, standup techniques and self defense drills are a mandatory part of the beginner's curriculum.

1. you're right, but that's about as close as you can get to real fighting 2. how do you spar? full contact with takedowns? only self defense drills? light contact? many people's training methods lul them into a false sense of security...

it doesn't have to be - karate isn't DESIGNED for it, but it can be adapted to handle it. bjj is no different.

Treebranch, you REALLY need to check out a boxing gym.

I train pretty much every day. mon - judo, bjj tues - judo, bjj, muay thai wed - bjj - sometimes I take wed off thurs - judo, bjj, muay thai fri - bjj sat - bjj - sometimes I take off sun - off I also try to hit the gym everyday on my lunch break.

IMO, any class an hour or less is a waste. you don't get to do much. My bjj classes are 2.5 hours, but sometimes we stay longer.My judo classes are 2 hours, but sometimes we stay longer. the muay thai classes are 1.5 hours.

Good job!

It is possible that your form wasn't as great as you thought... at least not in the judges eyes. My old longfist school cleans up at karate tourneys - in both forms and point sparring.

what a laugh...

breaks can happen on any mat, as your toes can stick to the surface. A good practice is to put baby powder on your feet after you step on the mat. Also, when mats are poorly put together and there are gaps between each piece, your toes may get stuck in them while moving, pivoting, etc. and they may break. jigsaw mats aren't very padded - you can practice controlled breakfalls on them, but alot of people would be hesitant about actually being thrown on them, as they are so thin.

judo/bjj/shuai chiao - that grapplers can't strike muay thai - that because it's a sport art it's less deadly than non-sport styles (CMA guys tend to be really bad about that one) longfist - that CMA is all flash and no fighting.

What's good or bad comes merely from your own point of view and from your training experiences. You may suck compared to me. But then, I train 5 - 6 days a week, about 3 hours each session. However, I'm not gonna judge anyone and flat out say that they are bad. They may excel at teaching. Not everyone is a fighter or good at kata. Another thing to keep in mind - those students were taught and promoted. The students are only doing what they know. If their teacher half taught them, or promoted them before they deserved it, then that is the teacher's fault, not the students'.

If you believe that, then you really don't understand how to use judo...

In his defense, you don't have to understand the scoring to compete. All you have to do is get in there and wreck shop. Let the judges worry about the scoring - you just do your thing.