SevenStar

that sounds like a similar excuse. Many traditional stylists assume that we compete for medals. It's not true. I don't even keep my medals - I give them to my parents, because my mother likes to display them. I compete for me. Not for medals or to prove anything to anyone. If I throw a cross and knock someone out, what's the difference? It is indeed a quick finish technique. and such techniques are easier to master, so I fail to see where it would complicate things... as for relevancy, I posted how it is relevant in my above post - I believe that all MA should enter the ring at least once, for the benefits it provides.

I think being athletic CAN help, but it's no guarantee. I've been into martial arts since I was 6 (I'm 27 now) I bowled, ran track, played basketball, football, etc. But that doesn't necessarily help with coordination, although you will be in shape and used to hard training. I have some wrestlers in class who have lots of trouble with footwork - it doesnt mesh with their wrestling training, so they are having to relearn. They have no problems with the actual training, but have a hard time picking some of the techniques up.

mastered? how long have you been training? as far as fighting goes, slow down. From the sounds of it, you are not really ready for it yet - not at full speed, anyway. drill your techniques more with a partner and also spar slowly. by sparring with speed at this point, the only thing you are doing is creating bad habits.

there is a difference between understanding and mastery. There is always something to be learned. look at a pro fighter for example - tyson knows the basics of boxing, yet why does he pratice his strikes over and over in the heavy bag and focus mitts? why does he do footwork drills? mastery comes through repitition. I've been thai boxing for years, and I still do basic walking drills where I go up and down the floor throwing basic techniques. every good MA that I know does something similar.

that is a good post. However, I think what pockets is getting at is that all of the things you mentioned above are things I do in thai boxing - without kata. you practice your kata hard and sweat - I do that with bag work. or with padwork. or with sparring. you say execute each block and strike as if you were in a real fight - we do that in padwork, bagwork, shadowboxing and sparring. those things will also help work our breath control and improve our speed, as you pointed out kata will do. Plus, there is the added benefit of impact training and partner work from the outset - learning is faster. In the end, we are trying to accomplish the same things, but have a different method of doing so. jujutsu was the same way. I think that is the big reason the judoka mauled them in competition -- the jujutsu guys did not spar. I do believe that kata is important in a traditional style, but I think that it's only part of the equation.

I actually think we agree here. What I was disagreeing with was takedown defense. I think dropping into a horse is a poor takedown defense. ^ that is what I disagree with. gotcha. from that perspective, I agree with you. and when you work bunkai with a partner, what are you doing? Drilling. Drilling isn't limited at all, nor is sparring. IMO it is these two things that will help you to understand kata.

I disagree. years of full contact sparring, ring fighting, etc. have taught me the headgear is a Godsend. I do agree on face makske - I think that those are overkill, but headgear is great. I fail to see why you say it can teach bad habits.

once you pass 8 reps or so, it will transition to endurance training, and you stop maximally building strength until you increase the weight again. I would do them on separate days if I wanted maximum strength AND maximum endurance - strength twice a week and endurance twice per week. However, in general, what your idea is fine.

monday weight training thai boxing - 2.5 hrs grappling - 1.5 hours (when possible) tuesday gym - cardio judo - 1.5 hrs shadowboxing - 4 rds grappling - 1.5 hours (when possible) wednesday gym - plyometrics, wind sprints thai boxing - 1.5 hours grappling - 1.5 hours (when possible) thursday gym - cardio thai boxing - 1.5 - 2.5 hrs grappling - 1.5 hours (when possible) friday gym - weight training, running shadow boxing - 4 rds saturday wind sprints, plyos thai boxing - 2 hours

This forum has been dead for a few days. Maybe this will drum up some convo and possibly some topic ideas, based on replies.... How has everyone's training been going?where have you noticed progress? What are you having troubles with?

bad idea.

In the case of WC, you really shouldn't have to adapt much.... all forms of strikes are allowed, and there are only a few targets that are off limits. I think that falls in with the too deadly excuses... However, there is nothing wrong with not wanting to compete - some people jsut aren't competitive by nature. IMO though, ALL MA should do it at least once, as being in the ring teaches you alot about fighting and about yourself.

Even if it was training for the kill, the rules of these tournaments specifically forbid any crippling or killing techniqes. That being said, a lot of traditional practictioners like to hide behind the "we are too deadly for the ring" excuse. However, as my Soo Bahk Do master always stated, if you are truly good at some system of fighting arts, and if that system is truly good, you should always be able to adapt to any environment, any rulesets, because it is just a matter of controlling your techniques. exactly.

and they both punch like westerners...

I'm in class 6 days a week and in the gym 6.

1. find another club in your area 2. continue to train on your own

as the saying goes, you fight how you train... Specifically in regards to the two hands on your hip thing, it's an uncommon move in our kata, however we do use it. And it’s a great move. You see when we grab someone or something we bring it to our hips. In other words we chamber when we grab. I don't suppose you've ever seen a fight where someone grabbed someone else did you? How about when they grabbed them and pulled them in low? That's a two handed chamber my friend. How often does a guy get his chin punched after he's grabbed someone like that? Never, if he's doing right. I disagree. if you drop into horse to defend a take down, you're gonna hit the ground. ALL stances are transitory. that is the key to mobility. You use them in transition to other positions, to throw, to strike, etc. you don't statically hold them. boxers don't just stand there and exchange punches either. Anyone who believes that is has no clue about boxing. As for the grabbing, penetrating, locking, etc. you don't have to train kata to learn that. kata just gives you a means of working it alone, but the most efficient way is through drilling and sparring.

here's something we did last night jump rope 2 four min rounds from there, we went to various stations: shadowboxing burpee/speed punching (15 sec interval) speed bag heavy bag we did 2 min rounds at each station, and repeated the entire cycle three times. Next, we did four rounds of focus mitts which was followed by 3 rounds of neck wrestling. We ended the night with squats and abs.

I posted this on the thai boxing forum recently: keep in mind that the length of amateur rounds is 2 min, so each round is 2 mins. there is also one minute of rest between rounds. jump rope - 2 rounds, 4 mins a piece between rounds, 40 squats, 40 pushups shadowboxing -1 rd. normal -1 rd. interval - ali/frazier -1 rd interval - normal and speed punching combinations - 3 rds skill work - 36 mins thai pads - 4 rds sparring - 4 rds ab work this is a fairly basic, skill oriented workout - no weight training and no plyos. It will take you over an hour to complete though, and will give you a good work out.

did you try it? I'll post one I ran the guys through earlier this week too.

Jujutsu is not Sumo derivitive as far as i know , it has been influanced by Sumo but has chinese origins .. is Jujutsu and JiuJitsu the same ????? jujutsu cannot be verifiably linked to china... there is actually a debate about that going on on the chinese arts forum. As for the spellings, yes, they are the same. jujutsu is the most correct romanization. jiu jitsu is a less correct form. However, that name was adopted by the brazilians when bjj was created. so these days, jujutsu is associated with the japanese style and jiu jitsu with the brazilian.

no art is better than the other. however, they can have better training methods. This is where the sport styles shine.

Care to further explain that? While some parts of the theory may be found in those arts, I've yet to see an instructor from any of those talk about the centerline. Simply protecting your face and other vital targets isn't the same thing as the centerline theory. Thai boxing, etc. tend to focus more on round line attacks than fighting over the centerline. the beauty of those arts is that you WON'T hear them talk about it. One of my biggest qualms I had about CMA was that we analyzed EVERYTHING... it was ridiculous almost. yielding, borrowing, centerline, following, listening, pushing - every "energy" had a theory behind it, and you spend time discussing said theories. In bjj, thai boxing, etc. you don't learn what "yielding" is per se. you simply learn how to do it. As for thai boxing, you are wrong. Traditionally, thaiboxing includes straight line and arcing attaks - this includes hook kicks, spinning heel kicks, spinning back fists, back kicks, etc. BUT, modern fighters in thailand found little use for these. Even still, if you watch them, you see a distinct lack of circles. The thais don't bob and weave much - that was introduced by westerners who infused muay thai with boxing. Also, thais generally throw straight line punches - not hooks and uppercuts - those are more popular among boxing/thai boxing hybrids. the most common circular technique you see out of thais are roundhouse kicks and round knees. other than that, they are typically very linear.

Not ALL japanese MA - only jujutsu. As you said, there are only so many ways to kick a man, right?

not necessarily - it depends on what you are trying to achieve. If I know you like to fight inside, I'm not gonna throw long combinations - because that gives you time to get close to me. instead of slugging it out with you, I'm going to box you - stay outside, using mainly my jab. when I see the opportunity, throw the jab and follow with a cross - then disengage and jab again, unless the cross stunned you.