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These two warriors meet for the first time and know nothing about their respective fighting styles. Which would win?

Some people buy a gun and they hope they never have to use it. Others buy a gun and can't wait to use it. Which are you?

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I'd say learn to walk before you run and learn to run before you fly.

I would say if you want to learn groundwork study BJJ like you are doing. JJ is not focused on the ground only, it's a more complete art that focuses more on getting the attacker to the ground. It has ground work, but not as evolved as BJJ.

High ranking Toyko policemen learn Taijutsu, I wish our officers studied this stuff too. You wouldn't have the blunders some officers make when apprehending someone.

Let them do what they like, but I think it's a bad idea. It's good to train with people of different sizes and gender.

Well Jujutsu the traditional pre-1800's or Taijutsu was used armed and unarmed. There are certain schools in Koryu and Budo Taijutsu that are concidered body guard schools which concern themselves more with controlling and apprehending someone rather than killing them. Also it was not honorable for a samuai to have to draw his sword when fighting untrained or lower ranked person. Also there are strikes that were used against men in Japanese armor. These strikes are more a pushing type punch to take advantage of the balance of the enemy. I honestly don't know enough about the history of Karate to make any claims about where it came from. Also armor or no armor taking someone down to stab them is pretty efficient in any situation if that is your aim.

I would say that I do agree with you for the most part. I would like to comment on your statement about grapplers. Traditional JJ is considered a grappling art as well as most Battle tested Combat MA. Grappling is the fastest way to control and take an attacker out. As far as someone shooting in on you, this shouldn't be your biggest concern. There are plenty of counters to someone shooting in. The key is don't resist, redirect their force. I'm not making a claim about San Soo I'm just telling you from experience of studying this stuff, just like you made of Wing Chun. I don't think that it's a bad thing to let people know about a style that they are not familiar with. Anyway all Martial Arts have the potential to maim or kill someone, but not all MA's were designed for that purpose.

The interesting thing about Jujutsu or Taijutsu is that no one person created this style. It was an evolution of fighting that was battle tested. The techniques that didn't work died in the battle field with the practitioner. After hundreds of years the scrolls and teachings were passed down from generation to generation improving the art as time went on. In a way it was the MMA of that time. It had everything in it, and it still does.

I think that self defense means someone is attacking you with the intent of doing you serious harm or to kill you. In that type of situation it is hard to judge whether or not your actions will maim or kill the attacker or if you will be maimed or killed. Therefore you should match the force that is being given to you and if you think about it too much, well the outcome may not be in your favor. I think that if Martial Arts are being taught in a way that you are at risk because your concerned with the laws, that Martial Art is probably not going to do you any good in a "Real" situation. Yes many dojos claim they have dangerous and deadly techniques and I can't speak for them. I can only tell you what I've experienced, San Soo is a very efficient and effective MA. I had a street fight after training for about 4 months. I kicked the guy in the groin and gave him a straight right to the nose and the fight was over. I didn't continue beating on him or stomping his head into the ground whch is a common finishing move in San Soo. I knew when to stop. If you see a San Soo school that claims it is brutal and deadly, believe it. Take a couple classes with them and judge for yourself. Put it this way if you took a high ranking BB in San Soo that was 220 lbs and fit. Trained him for a year so that he could compete in a NHB tournament, and you told him there are no rules, you can do anything you want. Ouch, it would be a mess. There are no submissions in this stuff, it's tear, break, bam, boom, mean shtuff. You should check it out if you have the chance or if you are interested.

Yeah, I couldn't agree with more.

Well sorry to hear that, I was looking forward to your thoughts. You always have some really good points to make. I want to check out a Silat studio if there's one close enough to me. I live near Los Angeles, do you know of any?

There is grappling techniques in this stuff, it's really up to you and how you apply it. I'd rather train in an art where I might have to hold back in a real situation than the other way around.

So what do you deem appropriate for the real world?

Well not always kill, but hurt them pretty fricken bad. Your right in that respect it is incomplete, but it was designed for a specific purpose Combat. I study Budo Taijutsu which is probably one of the most complete fighting arts out there. But I agree being able to control someone is very important. I wouldn't advise that Police or Bouncers study San Soo but I do highly recommend Budo Taijutsu.

Maybe with a groin injury or a broken nose. I'm sure one could just go a little softer with it.

JerryLove, San Soo Jimmy Woo's Kung Fu San Soo not San Shou. These MA's always get confused, but are worlds apart. One is a Combat style (San Soo) the other is more of a Sport (San Shou).

You have a great point WHY NOT that's why earlier on this thread I said that San Soo is too brutal. It's good to have options on how hard you go in a given situation.

Wasn't Kodokan Judo created after the unification of Japan so there was less need for Combat Martial Arts like the Koryu Bujutsu? If I have time to read Kodokan Judo I will.

Realistic, meaning fighting or protecting yourself against an attacker that is trying to maim or kill you. An attacker with true intent on doing you harm, not someone challenging someone to a fight after school.

I've only been taught one technique from a wrist grab and most of them from a punch or someone grabbing your shirt followed by a punch. The idea is that somehow your attacker is now connected to you and the way you move will effect their balance. You can learn alot from a wrist grab technique, the object is to take what your taught and be creative with it. The principles learned are more important then the technique. No worth while instructor assumes anyone will grab your wrist in a real situation.

I guess nobody wants to talk about this, or not enough people are familiar with these styles?

Yeah, that's the real deal. Kano was in a sense a genius. It was said that he learned very quickly any fighting art he studied and would find the core of it very quickly. In a way Judo is the core of Jujutsu, with some minor adjustments. Judo also has less techniques, but the katas are supposed embody the core of Jujutsu. It's very effective, but most people study Olympic Judo or other more sports oriented Judo styles.

Kodokan Judo? Kano's Judo is the best Judo out there.