Luther unleashed

This is my instructor at the last place I trained. 4th dan tang Soo do! He was a talented martial artist. I've moved on to my own place but here's him doing the form "Bassai Dae" blind folded. He told me he was about 17 here. He's about 30 now. https://youtu.be/x2OIyjvrL7U

Cool idea, Very nice spinoff of the thread I made a while back for posting videos of yourself! The two together go hand-in-hand Innoway and I think they are great for the forum community to get to see things in a different way and not just wright. I've got a cool one I'm going to try to find and post.

So I'm surprised this thread seemed to die out, I always find this type of thread to get attention easily which it has but little posting in a long time. If been a busy person and started my own business if you months ago teaching so figured I'd stop back in to see what was going on, hope everybody is well take care.

As I was looking through this thread for the first time I found it ironic we just touched on a part of this, in a sense last night! We talked about the fact that forms/kata/poomse/hyung or whatever you call them are a great part of martial arts because A person can only fight for so long and then their bodies cannot take anymore, or they can not be effective. and can do forms until the day they pass away typically without any major issues, in fact doing forms consistently does a lot for good overall physical health and does not beat you up the way that sparring or fighting does. I find it very interesting how it seems like almost half of the thread has people in it that think opposite of each other, meaning that some think it was out of line and others do not for the woman to say what she did. I absolutely feel that there is nothing wrong with going light and your partner should respect that! in our school we must clarify with our partner whether we would like to go light or medium, never hard as that would result in a good chance of injury which takes away from what martial arts are meant to be, if somebody only wants self-defense then Mui Thai kickboxing might be the way to go, but martial arts are beautiful in that they are for many health benefits and offer fulfillment outside of simply fighting... In the end I do not mean this to be rude but to the original poster it sounds to me like you are raising a fighter and not a martial artist, respect for others, including your sparring partner would be one of the first true lessons of martial arts, not to fight. Quite frankly, I'm not necessarily saying there was something wrong with that, but I am saying that it sounds like your son, or even you train in the wrong kind of place, and maybe there is a place more suited for you that places more emphasis on fighting alone. Karate and Kung fu have a much deeper beauty that can be derived, aside from self defense/fighting! Good luck to you both!

I won't say that you can't learn a Martial Art online, but I will say it will definitely be the tougher road to hoe. You won't have any immediate feedback on what your doing, which, without any experience, is going to make it tough to figure out what changes you need to make on technique. Again, I won't say its impossible, but I will say it will be very tough, and you likely won't get great results out of it until you can work with someone that has some experience and can give you some feedback. Another issue is that Martial Arts is very much an interactive thing, and you really benefit by having partners to work with on technique and application. Without a partner to work with, progression is tough to judge, as well. I wish you luck on your endeavor, and strongly encourage you to look for some kind of school to train at. Just out of curiosity, why have you chose the style you have mentioned here? You put that in a great way! I agree that martial arts in an interactive thing. I think it is obvious we have all kind of come to an agreement that you CAN learn martial arts online, but NOT in a way that is as effective as training under a teacher directly, live and in person! I would also agree with finding a martial art in your area, its probably the best way to learn effective.

great advice, also listen to your body!

Great post !!! Yes...solid post!! For any learning venue, effective feedback is essential at every corner. Without effective feedback, effective MA is nothing more than an illusion. Imho!! Totally agree, but what then is your opinion if there is feedback through video testing?

first off welcome to the forum (i actually got to say that hahha)! Second i was out of martial arts for a few years and got back into it a little over a year ago and a few weeks into training i pinched something in my back, it basically made my leg tingle for a few months. Since then my back is more healthy no then prior to starting up training again, I should also add that prior to training i injured my back at work and had pain and stiffness in my back EVERY DAY for a few years. i just took a week or two off after the pinch training and got back to it. My class does a very hard workout prior to beginning training techniques or forms or anything, which made me question if it was too much but it was the best physical therapy! My main questions for you based on my experience would be... do you do a descent workout in your class like pushups, leg strengthening drills, so on and so forth? Also what is your age if i may ask, it certainly plays a role in how aggressively you should train after injury! I don't have a general "kill pain" remedy but after all of my injuries i take a short break and strengthen that area, in physical therapy they told me to workout even when in pain, so i always take small amounts of rest and get back to it. Ibuprofen is good for swelling but not great to take for your stomach. I think google will help you discover what works best for you and your particular situation/injury.

Interesting video, i have always found aikido to be quite beautiful, along with wing chun! they are just styles that i really like, however i studied neither because not too many schools i know of near me and i chose my school based on incredible teaching and student energy, not style. Nice video though

i have no ideas on the specific martial art you are seeking, never really heard of them. i DO however have an opinion about learning martial arts online in general. Some people are far more capable of learning on their own then others. To top that off, with todays Technology and use of video, weather recorded earlier or even live, its really opened the idea of this up. The ability to record yourself and compare yourself to your "teachers" video is quite an interesting tool that wasn't so easily accessible when i was 17 (1994) when i bought my first two books, one was a tae kwon do book and don't ask the name haha, the other was "the tao of jeet kune do" by bruce lee of course! I did a very descent job of self teaching as i later signed up at a local tae kwon do school and knew (and practiced) a good deal of these moves proper enough that i wasn't learning much in white belt in the actual school, because I self taught that is! Basically I'm saying i believe that the online program can work for some people but to the level of an expert or at minimum to black belt, i think it is much more realistic if one already has martial arts experience. Actors and movie stars years ago had been said to do it in a similar fashion because they were on the go too much, why should they be held back from sharing the experience of martial arts. Does the Technology not help people to share many of life's great experiences? Martial arts is worth the effort to do it, HARDER maybe, but NOT impossible!

heres one i made a few days ago, hope you enjoy! I got the idea from the videos "storm of tang soo do" and "storm of shotokan"! http://youtu.be/yvAwkFoWJis

Thanks! I really wish I had a better showing in Round 1, and I would like to do one more fight to prove that I can do better, but my health troubles have put that on indefinite hold. In any case, I'm glad you liked the videos! I just put them up for fun, or to explain something I've been discussing with people online, and I encourage others to do the same! We definitely need to have you come up to the dojo for a visit! First off sorry to hear about health issues, without our health we have nothing so i wish you well! If you get anymore videos you should post them, like i said when i get time I'm going to post a few more. I appreciate the invitation to your school, that does sound like a fun idea, well have to see if we can make that happen at some point, take care man!

ok ill try and touch base on any responses/opinions about the topic of forms or the specific movements in them! first armonox... thanks for clarifying how your school uses forms, the one thing that is actually similar in all responses was first stated by you. you said that your school doesnt believe in a lot of exaggerated movements in kata, others seem to concur. I agree that if it was my intent to use these moves in a fight then it would be less effective to telegraph movements and make exagerated ones. i guess the main thing i am trying to get across is that we learn that kata/poomse/hyung/forms are our connection to the style and to the masters and even students that came before us. we learn mostly stance shifting, focus, hip movement, and awareness of body positioning. these are the key elements that are useful as i learn and believe. bunkai (if i spelled that right) means "practical aplication" and most is not thag practical, we do learn some good applications but MANY of them need to be modified too much for me to consider it the same move i practice from the form over and over. In the end we use more of a sparring method of fighting (like kickboxing if you will) so the specific way of fighting in forms does not really help us. My point i guess is if i am learning to torque my hip in a form and its not only exagerated, but very telegraphed so that i can use my hip with certainty,bit in a fight i use it in a comletely different way, why would telegraghing be a bad thing in a form. 90% of the blocks and punches from forms are telegraphed anyways and not as effective as basic strikes or blocks. Essentially Im saying forms can be a good way to develop abilities but to apply to fighting in a completely different way. Hopefully im making sense of my point here, i agree if there were even a small resemblance of my gorms and actually fighting, it would be a huge mistake to make big motions or telegragh drastically, but as a training tool in the manner i speak about above I cant see the issue. This could probably be its own thread but i thought what would make this thread fun is to communicate ideas of the techniques we see from eachother, not just show them off so im just doing my part hahaha! bushido man thanks for the good luck on my test man, I'm pretty excited because my curriculum changes a lot so it keeps my desire to learn fresh. This response can easily fit other postsing from other people as well. Wastelander cool videos man, i fought too much growing up so i never wanted to approach sport fighting but props to you because that takes a pair to do it and congrats on the win in the mma fight man! I forgot we are basically from the same area, so glad to see you posting here. My videos will probably never match as yours with the mma fight and the form on a rock but ill still post lol! ill try to post a few more soon to keep the trend going, really glad so many are posting themselves without hesitation, you guys are awesome!!!

interesting conversation, my style is traditional tang soo do/shotokan karate mixed with boxing, i test for black belt in sept, i then learn hun gar kung fu exclusively untill second degree. Its a mixture but mostly in complete stages if that makes sense. i wonder if traditional schools will fight in a manner reflecting forms. yes, i totally agree it telegraphs the move, however this is an interesting Discussion in itself. I practice a bit of a mixture of traditional and new concept, we are taught to use forms (and the style of fighting within them) as a useful training method to teach us things like shifting into different stances, c-stepping for other purposes, hip movement for different techniques like the hook I showed! We practice actually fighting in a boxing style with kicks of course. think about it like this, any karate style or tae kwon do practitioner practices the forms yet they spar in a more realistic, and direct way. basically for me i learned to do many things in forms, to essentially derive fundimentals from it like stance shifting, power, and making them fast, BUT the style in which i was tought to FIGHT will never use a horsestance reverse punch or double knife hands like in the video. My hands protect my face, not chamber on the side..IE sparring! based on this aproach telegraphing is ok to allow students to learn to use teir hips, as long as they understand and practice their moves using forms as only a refference. Did i just ramble haha sorry. does that make sense, and do oters use forms as a direct mirror of how they will fight, or do most others feel they learn fundimentals from old techniques as I do, interesting thought!

the bottom line is people are who they are, and belt colors are just another reason to boast, but without question NOT the only readon and i think the good in him doing that is it is up to the schools instructors to set the tone about what type of attitude is expected, thats one way to do it.

sorry guys i have more time and wanted to post a video on topic of "offensive/defensive hip as well as c-stepping! any input on this guys, practice it? thanks guys. http://youtu.be/VBopaQS4OPU

hey guys, sorry I'm usually very busy in the middle of the week, made a video and I'm going to upload it here- http://www.karateforums.com/post-videos-of-yourself-performing-any-technique-vt47122-20.html - because its a perfect fit for this thread. FTR number two is accurate as i learned it, perfectly described!

hey guys, really exciting to see all these videos. i watched all of them and its really cool to see. I train and do assistant instructing tues, weds, and thurs so im very busy these days, sorry to start a thread and not keep up with input and stuff. Write more as i can! awesome stuff guys

bushido,-man great vids. great kicks as well. congradulations on 4th dan, im testing for black in september, so im just grtting there but mad respect for the commitment level of you to make it that far. The video of the side kicks are great because iv had this talk with people about the 2 ways. i prefer the high chamber because it feels more like "pointing my weapon" if you will lol! Thanks for the love about the thread.

cool vid man, first off im with ya on the fact that its not my think to do those moves either lol! i dont like to "roll" as they say, looks cool though but as i know nothing about rolling i also have nothing to compare it to, therefore hard to comment beyond that. As for the form in the first post "bassai dae" what i can say kind of goes for all forms. Simply finding an aplication is one thing but finding a practical aplication is another. there is no specific aplication that i know of for the jump and if you see the shotokan version it is typically a double step. As i was tought about forms (especially korean versions) there are aplication but many of them are made to look pretty for the form. back to you man, are you in the video? The outfits look jujitsu, is that accurate?

I'm creating this thread in this section because i feel it is the best spot for people to post for any style martial art! I think if enough people post it can be a very interesting thread to converse with each other about similarities or difference in our techniques, forms, kicks and so on. ill start with a few forms we do, interested to see how many people do them this way, or how differently they do them! Please feel free to post any videos guys, the more we post the more fun the thread can be. first video is tang soo do form bassai dae... http://youtu.be/hF5emVDiFZo

at 6th rank i began to learn these techniques, i am very interested in the way some schools teach things differently and how different some of the material is. all of our forms (which are a mixture of tang soo do and shotokan forms but more emphasis on tang soo do) place emphasis on c-stepping and hip movement, AND pace of the forms going from fast to slow. as many videos as i watched it seems to be rare that these things are practiced in this manner, anybody? ill post a few vids of myself doing it when i get time just for a reference bit I'm really interested to put these techniques up against the masses!

pyung ahn ee dan for me. the second of the pyung ahn forms was hardest for me and still requires more concentration because it introduces reverse techniques, such as steping with left foot but blocking simultaneously with right outward block.

thank you, i work very hard. some people just have a graceful look while doing forms, did t come natural to me so it was all hard work and practice to even look how i do, got some ways to go though before i woah the crowed huh? haha i enjoy self growth and thats gold enough for me. is there a place where people post in the forum, just for videos? if not what do you guys think of the idea?

id have to say most of the answers have addressed the main point, which is that all schools are different and to judge a school by a style, would be similar to comparing blackbelts in the same style. they are very different even if they are similar, if that makes sense. judge the schools for their energy and training methods more then specific techniques that make a style, you should be safe with that as a goal!