Hawkmoon

Not sure this is right thread to post the following to...so I'll post and let it go on to its conclusion! Sorry an essay and one about a behavior I have little tolerance for, and even less understanding! In another thread a comment was made that fits like a glove something I dislike with a real vengeance and and automatic default desire to 'go hunting for' and stomp on! I have seen in various clubs (no specific Ryu all different but all the same behavior) I have been a victim of this as well in my years , and always always see memories from school where the 'bullies' did exactly this sort of thing, because it was fun. The comment read: We have a couple (and very specifically one student) who thinks we the club don't see them (or him) being such idiots! With regards to this main guy in this group, he is famous for holding a beginner in a corner with all one lesson to his name under his belt as he fought with him...(beat the snot out of him) This guy is also famous for his defiance to Sensei when he was asked to demonstrate 10kyu to some other beginners, by refusing to do so. (...and then I found out recently) He knocked an elderly member of the club out the other week when I was off ill. (I really mean elderly, the guy is 63!) (we have 3 students over 60, we are proud of them and there determination, passion and spirit) Now this little gem pushes me off the deep end! Now he has come back (I'll guess he has licked his wounds all better now!) and he has taken a clear step towards creating a little group of followers, and so a clear dislike to anyone that doesn't mean the requirements to a member of this little group. This means we do not get along! (I know this is wrong I should not do it, no one benefits from it, its a waste of both his and my time...but to ignore it and accommodate him is to give him control, to submit to his way, (as a bully he gets the win), which to my mind is the last thing he needs and will only worsen things) I've taken to repeating his behavior back to him, I copy him when we work together. So if I see he stands static when we are to practice a set combination, to explore how it feels works, to explore how to defend move block, counter etc and in that action spoil the other students lesson, the only winner is him as he gets the practice they do not! When we work together I will stand static and spoil his moment! If we perform partner based resistance work he will not yield he will lock out and stop the other from completing the movement, I will lock out and not let him complete the movement. When working with a person he will take to strikes that are not allowed, to inflict more pain, yet will openly complain that (whoever) hit him to hard. Now here I will not copy him, this is not a safe game to play, so I will do opposite here, my strike are like the strikes of a points fighter, as in strike - touch -out! He can't complain there is no contact, everyone can here there was no contact.....and this I've found upsets him more! Now reading accounts in this book or that book or looking over notes of this or that master about his days as a student, there are some hints or (rare as they are) references to such students being banned, or singled out for what I will describe as special 'humility 101' treatment. Is this considered traditional? (Not him, the books the history and what was done 'back in the day') It was done for ages in history, so.... if it is is it one we keep or modify or drop....?

all very good points! If it takes a week or a year ...so be it! My personal fav is .... We have a couple (and very specifically one of them) who thinks we don't see he is being such an idiot! Shihan and sensei are 'working' on him, sadly he'll not be grading this time around as was initially planned, 'more work required' it seems! This is the guy that held a beginner with all one lesson to his name in the corner ...was defiant when asked to demonstrate 10kyu to some other beginners. I found out that he knocked an elderly member of the club out last week when I was off ill. (I really mean elderly, the guy is 63!) Wrenching a thumb back, because the punch caught the jacket as you punched,... catching toes on a knee as you kick... fingers (hands) being used to stop a kick ... these as well as others are 'bad, but normal natural human reactions, MA replaces these habits with better ones, and is its own reasoning for why its train train and train some more, the idea is to make any action a true natural reaction to a thing! The more you do the better you get and the less it happens!

100% yes! as I've said before if it feels wrong then that style is not for you, move on find the one that feels right! This is in another thread, but I'll add it here as it works well to demonstrate the range aspect of combat no matter who the MA'ist or system. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIEp6DoNFu4&feature=youtube_gdata_player The target is at range and the attacker uses that space to setup an attack that is both powerful, misleading and cashes in on the fact fact here is space enough to do it! Now to add and expand on this. The more flexible you are the less space you need! Watch it and consider leg stretches.

Thats good news! Take it easy like I said before no point making a bad situation worse!Its not a race, never was! Heres something for all! Last night we worked on what was 'in ye good old days' simply called 'a knockdown mawashi geri', today its simply a knee role as you kick! In short you kick a mawashi be this gedan, chudan or jodan. As you start to reach the desired height roll you hip as much as you role the knee and ...well..put simply drag your leg back to earth. (Think; Axe kick but its the top part of the foot facing the floor, not the heel) You keep the arc tight like an axe kick so keeping any 'tell' you offer minimal. As gedan the target area is the thigh, and as we discovered when done 'correctly, good angle etc etc it is really powerful! The same is true for chudan. BUT.... but ..but with the chudan kick the leg angle of the leg the body shape TELLs your opponent you are going for the head, so they set a guard (protect the head) as you would expect due to the initial attack angle of the leg...sadly the target is the ribs...and totally devastating! The chudan kick is its own setup! Now when you do the same thing jodan, you may find you need a setup, but the downward attack of the kick will smash the guard, and at the least it will stun the other guy so its worth putting a setup in to hide your true intention to seek the knockout! Have a look at this vid a perfect example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIEp6DoNFu4&feature=youtube_gdata_player Watch how the body and leg move, and as is human nature the target MUST react to that attack they think is coming, its the wrong attack, but the target only gets that after is way to late!

Hi Lupin, question: Do you guys have a BB meeting or something every so often? I ask because if you do that would be the best place to give the idea some air time and maybe develop it over meetings to get the dojo practicing etiquette more often! I'm thinking have all the BBs in said meeting note and correct any student that doesn't bow, have the correction done nicely, but done, then when its habit a few weeks later pick some other aspect that needs correction and so on!! A passing thought, in our dojo the BBs hold regular meetings, I understand other clubs ..not so much if at all.

17/2 session 1 1hr kihon. session 2 (mixed class.) Kihon kata, ren-raku light sparring 2 x 50 sit ups 3 x 50 push ups. 100 squats 19/2 4 x 50 sit ups 4 x 50 push ups. bag work 1 hr rest of session dedicated to knockdown combinations (half power)

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Look at this video... Watch the fights (most of them anyway) initially show close quarter combat, and then all of a sudden an opening appears and POW! Obviously the opening of the gap is the setup, the fighter has up to this point fought at close range and has worked out something about his opponent and so moves to end the contest! Consider this vid.. A mixture of both 'at range' and close combat. Both work in and out side the kick range looking to get the upper hand, and both not quite getting there! so it becomes a test of stamina, toughness, endurance over a few rounds. Kyokushin considers fighting at range an unsafe place to be, an unsafe practice, so we fight close as a rule. We fight at range to end it! Is one system better than the other no not really just a different mind set!

not good! I'm originally form the west country, so totally understand what you guys are getting! (North Devon) Now as a Central UK resident...not so much or at least until today! Today promises a few issues with the new storm front coming in, seems much of the UK will be hit! Not looking forward to that at all, I still have a fence at the moment an old one that is due to be renewed! Keep things tight and your heads down guys!

http://karatetest.com/kyokushinkai/7thkyu/shuto-mawashi-uke-74.htm 'Shuto Mawashi Uke' - this is an old video, but one that at least with that 'block' shows the difference between IKO Kyokushin Karate and IFK Kykushin Karate. IFK has a more 'cut' end to the forward arm, think knife hand strike to the coller bone. ...more like Shuto Sakotsu Uchi at the end! http://karatetest.com/kyokushinkai/4thkyu/shuto-sakotsu-uchi-95.htm Still dying from man flu!

...here is a book for you to take a look at. Sensai came into the dojo the other day with a pile of this book for us, he'd been to see the auther and had asked he sign them for us! I've just finished reading my copy, put simply a very clear view of Kyokushin karate and knockdown competition as seen through the author as he grew and developed back in the old days here in the UK! 'The Way of Knockdown' by Gary Chamberlain http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Way-Knockdown-Gary-Chamberlain-ebook/dp/B00CMQYP6K "I was a competitor, not a fighter. A rescuer, not a warrior. But I got a lot from both and enjoy writing about those experiences, good and bad. Next project is a Knockdown coaching book. Then some Fire & Rescue stories, where out of respect for the victims I will portray 'examples' of rescue work rather than write about specific incidents. Thank you for your support."

ah! yes! How are things around your way Harkon, the news shows some pretty nasty pictures of Wales being hit hard?

shh don't tell the boss, but i was bored at work and the office chair and its wheels suddenly bacame a great source of fun! Punch development in a chair! 1x office chair/stool. (its the wheels and seated position that is important) 1x incline (approx 20 degrees min. More if you wish) 1x bar fixed to a wall, or handles fixed to said wall. Simply pull your self up whilst sitting. IF you put the chair on level ground lock some of the wheels to make it hard to pull AND push your self backwards and forwards to build the punch muscles you will feel now work as you slide backwards and forwards. no matter what configuration you use, both if you like, I'd suggest your grip/hand position on the handles/bar, swap as you work in sets from palm down to palm up to work more of the muscle punch groups! Enjoy!

if you are in pain, then training is either to stop or to be reduced! Look after yourself, don't push to hard to soon, there is absolutely no point in making an injury worse when a little time to heal was all that was needed. Better to get there tomorrow then to never get there at all! Its not a race, never was! Take time to understand what is happening and mange that first.

Do do this work, work the leg get more familiar with it, and more than that get your mind stronger to use it 'better/correctly'. Thinking about this thread I came across a video that ...well..maybe will inspire you, and others but more offer you evidence and other training practices to get the leg and so the legs stronger to build more power into your attacks for when you go to work on the mat! Enjoy! Thanks to our Canadian cousin! Nice work rate, good power, nice simple effective combinations!

opps yup sorry should have answered the question. Don't shrink it!

I'll put much of my reasoning for asking down to my slowness, be this age or...no age covers I think. Interesting that its the 'chest area' (generally speaking) that many seem to choose. That looking into the eyes and getting that almost clear second advanced warning well is more to do with my reaction time rather than being an actual 1sec notification!

hmm... Lets explore the 'stay with' - 'not stay with' tradition point! The Gi. At the end of a session some guys in the Dojo, roll it up and bind it with there belt and drop it into there kit bag. I fold mine and drop it into my kit bag, belt placed inside as its own 'object'. I have had one guy 'whine' (it's the best way to describe his constant going on and on) about me folding my suit up being the wrong thing to do. Yet another complained that I am not showing enough respect to it because I fold rather than roll it up. They wash there Gi rarely as this is also traditional, and it is only washed to remove blood or mud etc, its never ironed after a wash. I wash my Gi every week and I will iron it, at that time only. The argument is made that to roll the Gi is correct and wash it only when needed as this is what was done traditionally, where the counter argument is made to wash and iron it and show clearly pride in your appearance and who you represent (club colors / badges) is a better option. One is traditional in approach the other is shall we say "welcome to the 21st century and the invention of the iron and a new thing called a kit bag". Consider any comparison you wish, to me the obvious and most simple one is, neat and clean vs scruffy and smelly. It is after all merely training attire! like any other attire say like a footballer and his kit, or a baseball or cricket player or police officer, or.....etc etc

Have man flu - need rest and medication !stat!

When I spar or fight I tend to look squarely at the chest, below the neck line about mid point of the sternum. I get moaned at by fighters who like to look at the eyes/face to look up, and so look into the eyes or face! (I don't look up...it upsets them more!) For me the view I get is one of the the body and limbs (all of them) in clear focus by looking at the chest. It is a new thing for me, one I have trained myself to do over the last few years! Now, when I fight I still feel safe, confident in doing this but I do note a difference in my fighting style not such a fluid range of movements as I used to have! I used to look at the face and react to what the eyes/face told me! sometimes even now I look at the face and react but its not so easy to react as I once did! ..and the training to not look at the face tends to drill me back to the chest..... Back 'in the day' I was a much faster fighter and was on occasion still caught in the head when fighting when I looked at the face...like everyone else did. I simply could not look at a person and not see them so I always looked at the face! I could see other fights and spot that some fighters, ones I looked up to, were looking anywhere but the face!! (Hence the idea was born but the adoption wasn't...until now) Now I have trained myself to look at the chest, I see more of what is happening but...maybe being older and slower I'm not really that much 'better' for it. What about you do you look at the face, the chest where? Why? Have you tried one over the other and was it a worth while thing to do?

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Seriously do fight more, and then do some more! This is a learning process you never complete..ever! Its not a race, take time to understand why and what you are doing when you are doing it! The fight will teach the mind to react to the movement of the other guy, be this the shoulder or hip etc and over time you will naturally move in response to the movement, long before you realized you actually moved at all! The shoulder dropping might indicate the desire to punch, or how they set up to do a low kick, what you need to learn and remember is that they are all tells, and the things you learn when fighting and then more fighting the more you learn! The great thing about tells is everyone has them you will over time learn to spot them and when you see them react to them. Soon after this moment in your journey you will start to faint/trigger your opponent to give you there tell and when they do you go to work! Tells are none negotiable worth more than diamonds and are never to be given away cheaply!

Looking at one site for that 'suit', the jacket being past you knees would be its expected look ! Its cut that way! Is the suit you brought called 'esteem'? If so it is cut 'long' so should go past your knees! Maybe look at the suit called 'Veracity', its seems to be a shorter cut! http://www.bushido.co.nz/ Click shop then karate uniform! Check with your club/dojo see what they have to say about this, the suit is the uniform of any martial Artist and maybe this is the look your dojo/club desires!!

You might find this thread a good read: http://www.karateforums.com/sparring-stances-to-bounce-or-to-not-bounce-vt45875.html kyokushin and Shotokan share many things, mainly because much of Kyokushins foundation is in Shotokan. ...and as Kyokushin student... yes, agreed it does but the reasoning is wrong. no no no! Yes, we fight close to reduce/remove the chances of being knocked out, we are effectively trying remove the opportunity to get kicked in the head! The result being we are seen to use elbows and knees more often than some systems! (the toughness we are accredited for, the barrage of body shots, and thigh kicks all trying to wear the opponent down!) If we (and we do) fight at range it's only as part of setup for something generally speaking, or to discover what the other guy has brought to the mat! In the early days of Knockdown tournaments '70 and '80 (the open tournaments) you could/would find Shotokan fighters in the last 8! As others have said here no one system is better than another! More effective one system might be to some then others but to add, a person needs to find the art that works for them, no point working/chasing a system that feels bad, or is always leaving you low even depressed, better to try others and the one that feels right makes you feel happy as if you have achieved something then that is your one!

Double session (class) 1st class. 80 kicks (kin Geri) 80 kicks (knee strikes) 30 ('ish)mins kihon 30 ('ish)mins kata 2nd class. All kihon - by grades in random order. 70 pushups 100 sit ups ...used to split the above kihon/kyu all 5 pinan kata 1st Ku kata Yantsu Tzuki no kata