Himokiri Karate

I feel that the true essence of Kung Fu can be resurrected in western boxing! I know it sounds a bit odd but there is a strange synergy between kung fu and boxing. Both have many sub styles and while boxing may not come in specific labels, different trainers claim their style is the best. It seems like the case for Kung Fu. When you combine both you get a unique type of mapping. With Kung Fu you get cultivation of flexibility, movement and overall body control as well as the mind and emotion from Qi Gong. With boxing you get the ability to move and see what kind of body and mind you have while Kung Fu adds and improves things that a stereotypical boxing exercise selection may not have. The horse stance of Kung Fu improves your baseline for dynamic movement. The Qi Gong improves your mind and has you less anxious to spar. The flexibility allows you to be more formidable with your footwork and prevents injuries. In many amazing Kung Fu books that promote internal martial arts, they also promote the idea of carefully engaging in pugilism ( be it boxing/kickboxing) to see the fruits of your labor if a person wishes to engage in martial arts from a combative purpose. Thus through deductive reasoning you eliminate any false idea that might get in your head. The proof is on the floor and in the ring as well I suppose.

Its a martial arts style that takes after the fierce attack of tiger and the quick and unpredictable movements of a swallow bird. This martial arts style is very obscure and rare and lives and thrives in video games but there is one book that confirms its existence. Its called Mantis Boxing- tiger swallow. Other than that, there is a kung fu form called little tiger swallow but its just like a kata/form and not a style. I am curios to know if anyone has encountered someone who does have this style? The Japanese pronounce fist as ken but Chinese pronounce it as con or quan depending on accent. But all translate to tiger swallow fist. I ask because its odd that it is so popular in fiction but so obscure in real life. The oddity comes from the fact that there are other kung fu styles that can be more suited for fiction that are based on powerful entities like demons and dragons but this one seems to be very popular while being based on two common real life animals.

No punch use up kick or short elbow strike. If you want to get crazy unconventional then try a pinch or tickle If life and death.

I have noticed that in the martial arts scene occasional moments that defy the norm. Sometimes these things are epic like an unknown master with legendary skills dropping by to show case skills in sparring or demo. Or being exposed to an interesting moment that spices up your journey.

Regarding MMA, it has lost some popularity. I mean in mid-2000s it was the IT thing around but you have to understand that most folks practicing martial arts are not going to be super rich because Brazilian Jujitsu and Thai Boxing are on the expensive side and folks that become MMA fighters are folks who are already a master in a discipline like wrestling and so the MMA gym owners will take a cut of pay as oppose to charging them a monthly fee. What hurt martial arts business is not MMA but the "McDojo" that has really diminished the reputation of martial arts. MMA just came at a time when people felt discontent with the martial arts and it gave them an alternative. But people still value martial arts in a single form. Some of the best fighters in the world in the MMA are specializers.

So in past threads I mentioned that my username is based on a fictional style which funny enough in the anime series, himokiri is considered a gimmicky style among minor characters but still effective with solid principle behind it. Now I am reading old school mail order courses from 50 or 60 years ago and these folks claim "Deadly" fighting styles that you can learn in weeks in the comfort of your home. Styles such as Yubiwaza or Aicondo as well as super karate and ketsugo. Don't get me wrong, anyone and everyone has freedom to make their own martial arts style and that is not the issue here. Issue here being that these folks are creating a story behind it and claiming you can fast track it because they are so deadly effective that mastery is around the corner. Curios to know if you guys have been exposed to styles that people claim to be real but there is no actual basis or history behind it other than a marketing ploy?

What style of Karate is it?

Sounds like some small town horror movie environment. Kind of sounds epic!

I am curios to know if you guys have like a list of primarily moves or martial arts that you work on and use it as a guiding map towards your own mastery of your preferred move? I ask because I know a Kung Fu teacher and a Karate Master who have their primarily moves. To a lesser extent same with a judoka I know who practices a specific throw from his right hips. Here is an example: Primarily moves: Boxing combination Front kick Roundhouse kicks Palm strike Secondary moves: Nukite Spin Kicks Hip toss low kicks Keep in mind this is an example but I wonder if you guys have your own specific techniques that you consider near and dear to your heart and have a secondary move set to break the patterns? I know it sounds like some RPG video game but two legendary martial artist in Oyama and Kimura have been known to have their signatures drilled for hours through out the day which it seems to imply that the moves add cadence to their character.

In hoshin ryu book by Glen Morris it has mentioned that the concept of energy that is called different things like chi ki prana or ruh are the same. He refers to it as psi and it has inward and outward application. Inwards for healing or changing body temperature or martial arts prowess and outward for creating an aura of confidence or creating a sense of warmth in surrounding. I am deep in to meditation and have experienced great levels of recovery and that is my only personal experience in terms of a fantastic result but nothing to out of this world.

I respect that! I have been in MMA gyms when my boxing trainer was renting space and if a place is too causal with their dress code and language then the conduct tends to become compromised. Hence you got to set the tone!

In boxing you walk in to the gym during opening hours and trainer will give the student 10 minutes of personal time and move on to the next student and afterwards they will keep an eye on you. I am curious if in the dojo setting would students have to wear uniforms for open training or is it more casual?

Guys I think there was a misunderstanding on my part. In the OP I stated that boxers win fights without slick technique. I did not meant they had bad techniques but the term " slick" in boxing means that punches and footwork are done very efficiently. Non slick boxing doesn't have to mean it's incorrect but not as efficient as possible. Anyways I do agree that a one minded approach is no good. I was boxing 5 days a week and going hard repetition wise until I was getting worse. Days off + switching to different activity helped. That and work was overwhelming so I was overtrained I guess.

I mentioned about a Tang Soo Do book and the author/master claimed to be very clumsy with zero coordination and what took his skills to the next level was endless amount of repetition. He mentioned that he would practice throwing one thousand kicks everyday until it became second nature. I was talking to my boxing coach and he mentioned that he has been in boxing for many years and he has seen the most unathletic human beings on the planet win fights in dominating fashion because they had the obsessive drive to throw insane amount of punches which led to them throwing punches non stop in fights and despite lack of slick technique they would overwhelm their opponents in a war of attrition due to volume punching. What I want to ask is, do you guys play the numbers game like throwing a certain kick or a punch as almost like a ritual? Sort of like a certain move or move set that you consider to be your primarily signature?

Were the sempai's/instructors good teacher despite their personality? Then again I guess someone can be a great teacher but an overly aggressive teaching style may perhaps be bad for business or the culture of the dojo. Thanks man, in the world of boxing you get lots of aggressive coaches or trainers with personality and training approach of beating someone down so that person can find their conviction to rise from that misery. Problem with that is, these boxing personalities were like a million times worse than John Kreese and that often times life already gives you a beating. The few times I trained people, my goal was to give them fitness and flexibility and my style being boxing and karate/kickboxing, I want to give them different ideas of throwing few kicks from a boxing stance. I find that the students mind would be occupied with two styles of martial arts and how they can compliment one another and by the time they finished their training, they realized their personal problems were not orbiting their thoughts and they were occupied with something that allowed their mind and body to be engaged with. I think this is the most beautiful aspect of martial arts and something lost in the culture of combat sports. The idea of developing new physical attribute like flexibility so technique can blossom from that attribute. Despite being in boxing for years, I literally cant be around it other than just walking in for a quick sparring or doing some competition. Other than that, oddly enough my mind and interest is in traditional or ancient martial arts.

Missed your post but I am wondering if he was a good instructor? Also him saying your name goes on the wall, does it mean that you become revered for being your dues?

years ago here I made a thread about willing to train with someone who may have questionable morals. If I recollect correctly, some said that if he is an exceptional teacher they are willing to put up with him for short term. That is what I remember but I have to find the thread again. Now I am wondering if you guys had a "John Kreese" type trainer and John is the infamous sensei from the Cobra Kai dojo from the karate kid. What I mean is, an exceptional martial artist who has a character that is compromised or maybe overly aggressive and a bit too yang and not yin enough?

Lol I am loving the martial arts characters of Marvel. My favorite is Mister X but I am beginning to take a great liking to Fat Cobra!

We all have to start somewhere. That being said, a new style in modern times will face scrutiny. So the person who is pioneering it has to prove its worth. Hence the beautiful saying that is...The proof is on the floor!

This is a Karate Dojo not a knitting class. If she doesn't want to get hit, she should go to the latter not the former.

He seems like a kung fu/Chinese martial arts historian. I think the knock on him is that, he gives the impression that he has absolute mastery in ALL forms of kung fu styles. But to me, he seems like Bert Sugar of Kung Fu except he is avid about his fitness and living a healthy life style.

Lol I think I know you, are you the dude doing super crazy fast spin kicks in living room?

This is bad! At one point, maybe a younger Robin Shou would have been a good fit since he had that fame from Mortal Kombat and Beverly Hills Ninja. But now the ship has sailed and I don't know if anyone else can pull it off.

No worries, I have continued reading the book and something was odd. Half way through the book, the author no longer mentions Tang Soo Do and simply calls it taekwondo. I don't know it kind of confused me, not sure if they are both interchangeable. Still a very good story but the author hasn't explained it. P.S: Hopefully you got my reply. Sorry about that, the cobra kai character craze got the best of me which made me assume everyone is aware of the line.

YES! Its funny because last august I was deeply obsessed with it. Exactly last year. That being said, my style is boxing with karate/kickboxing. That being said, I try to incorporate judo throws once clinch happens but only with few partners I trust. That being said, I wonder if Bruce Tegner has any students today who are well versed in it and are willing to teach upon request. EDIT: Regarding the school refuting it, its odd since a little research can discredit their claim.