Three60, It is widely accepted the rolls was in fact THE best of the Gracies. There is a saying in the gracie family, that there was jj before Rolls and then bjj after. Rolls was the bridge between the old plodding bjj and the newer dynamic stuff. If you dont believe me ask Ralph, or royler, or renzo, because I have. Rolls x-trained in wrestling and sambo both. he is the reason that bjj is so refined. He tapped Rickson a lot, and was reportedly the last to easily due so. chh. All jj is jj. The gracies have refined some of the methods of the old school judo, before it got Olympic and commercial. If you think that the gracies have invented anything new, check out the old judo text. Omo-patas, the guard, it is all in there. Try "Grappling in action" by a game named kuzo. Or best judo, it all has what most would call bjj. Kosen judo is really what it is in my opinion. or, as a bjj bb told me once" It is old school judo with a vale tudo component." Hope that helps.......